Re: In the news today....
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:34 pm
Massive landslide victory for Aderns Labour party in the NZ election biggest win in years for NZ 's most popular PM for 50 years
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DiamondGooner wrote:
I mean I feel we should be as free as we can be but if we're judging this on todays inhibited vocabulary standards (PC) then that teacher was bang out of order and practically inciting a reaction.
Ach wrote:Hiding behind the freedom of speech crap to insult someone's religion needs to be stopped.
There was no reason whatsoever for this teacher to teach what he was teaching other than to mock Islam. And he's an idiot cos Islam much like in any other religion has their c**** who take it over the top.
Should've been sacked but we seem to be an easy target these days for the uneducated muppets.
UFGN wrote:Context. Thats the key here. And before I start I want to make it clear I'm not talking about people who go out and murder people.... f**k them in all circumstances obviously
but for everyone else..... context.
I support Charlie Hebdo in what they originally did because they are a satirical magazine.... it is their job to satirise and take the piss. I dont think the offending cartoons were funny actually and I think it was a very bad joke, but thats an editorial issue for them. As long as everyones getting a piece of the same then nobody has any credibility in moaning about it. They can moan, thats their right, but they have no credibility in doing so imo. Satire is as old as the hills, especially in Western society.
Now...Should the cartoons be used in debates regarding free speech? Yes they absolutely should, considering what happened
Should they be used in a school? By a teacher teaching kids? No, absolutely not. Stupid, insensitive and unprofessional
EliteKiller wrote:UFGN wrote:Context. Thats the key here. And before I start I want to make it clear I'm not talking about people who go out and murder people.... f**k them in all circumstances obviously
but for everyone else..... context.
I support Charlie Hebdo in what they originally did because they are a satirical magazine.... it is their job to satirise and take the piss. I dont think the offending cartoons were funny actually and I think it was a very bad joke, but thats an editorial issue for them. As long as everyones getting a piece of the same then nobody has any credibility in moaning about it. They can moan, thats their right, but they have no credibility in doing so imo. Satire is as old as the hills, especially in Western society.
Now...Should the cartoons be used in debates regarding free speech? Yes they absolutely should, considering what happened
Should they be used in a school? By a teacher teaching kids? No, absolutely not. Stupid, insensitive and unprofessional
What else would you remove from teaching? The whole point of education is to expose children to society warts and all, banning books on topics that make them uncomfortable, we stopped doing that a century ago. It's utterly obscene that a teacher gets beheaded for exposing children to a very real issue in society, the murderous intolerance of religious fanatics, sadly his death proves just how necessary that education is to defeat the religious brainwashing that clearly still goes on. Your solution is not to educate our children? Honestly you need to think about that again.
UFGN wrote:EliteKiller wrote:UFGN wrote:Context. Thats the key here. And before I start I want to make it clear I'm not talking about people who go out and murder people.... f**k them in all circumstances obviously
but for everyone else..... context.
I support Charlie Hebdo in what they originally did because they are a satirical magazine.... it is their job to satirise and take the piss. I dont think the offending cartoons were funny actually and I think it was a very bad joke, but thats an editorial issue for them. As long as everyones getting a piece of the same then nobody has any credibility in moaning about it. They can moan, thats their right, but they have no credibility in doing so imo. Satire is as old as the hills, especially in Western society.
Now...Should the cartoons be used in debates regarding free speech? Yes they absolutely should, considering what happened
Should they be used in a school? By a teacher teaching kids? No, absolutely not. Stupid, insensitive and unprofessional
What else would you remove from teaching? The whole point of education is to expose children to society warts and all, banning books on topics that make them uncomfortable, we stopped doing that a century ago. It's utterly obscene that a teacher gets beheaded for exposing children to a very real issue in society, the murderous intolerance of religious fanatics, sadly his death proves just how necessary that education is to defeat the religious brainwashing that clearly still goes on. Your solution is not to educate our children? Honestly you need to think about that again.
You can teach a whole lesson on the subject without actually showing the cartoons. Its very important to teach about scary horrible issues but its how you do it
For example kids should of course be taught about the holocaust but theres no need to show pictures of dead people.... you can describe bad things without showing them. Delivering an impactful lesson without inappropriate props is key to teaching in schools.
EliteKiller wrote:I take your point and of course showing unnecessary violent or sexual images should not be condoned or allowed, but my point stands that it is now even more important for educators to tackle these mind-poisoning issues based on religious intolerance. The Charle Hedbo incidents are a huge teaching opportunity, on the one hand it shows where cartoonists and publishers need to show sensitivity and restraint, on the other hand how intolerance of a simple drawing leading to murder must be unacceptable whatever religion you follow.
To not teach this would be leaving children open to unopposed parental or religious indoctrination ... which sadly even in the 21st century is still a huge problem for many children.
DiamondGooner wrote:In the end of the day I'd challenge you or anyone to give a valid reason to do something which you KNOW is going to p*ss people off religiously for no reason.
The question isn't "can we do it" the question is why? there are many things you can say about Islam but one of their fundamental requests is that people don't make images of Muhammed, there has been for at least a decade now a very strong agenda against muslims and I've mentioned this before, the way the media and Right wing treat them its like they have taken the place of black people in the hatred column.
Well if you keep poking you're going to get a reaction and that mans head is it, as grisly as it is right or wrong doesn't have a place in this argument, what does have a place is why fkin do it in the first place?
A teacher has no place to be holding lessons based on mocking a religion that represents millions of people, out of those millions someone was going to react and they did.
Your excuse of being able to teach, well explain to me what lesson is learned from doing what he did? in a way a lesson was taught, don't mock people just because they're a minority and think you can just walk all over people and get away with it.
I'm all for absolute freedom to say and do what you want, but with that freedom comes a personal responsibility of not abusing that freedom to harm others and not expect their freedom to defend themselves or to go on the attack.
That's not a policy, that's not advice, that's just life, it is what it is.
VCC wrote:Massive landslide victory for Aderns Labour party in the NZ election biggest win in years for NZ 's most popular PM for 50 years
Ach wrote:Hiding behind the freedom of speech crap to insult someone's religion needs to be stopped.
There was no reason whatsoever for this teacher to teach what he was teaching other than to mock Islam. And he's an idiot cos Islam much like in any other religion has their c**** who take it over the top.
Should've been sacked but we seem to be an easy target these days for the uneducated muppets.
LMAO wrote:VCC wrote:Massive landslide victory for Aderns Labour party in the NZ election biggest win in years for NZ 's most popular PM for 50 years
The way she's listened to the experts and led your country through this pandemic (so far) has been nothing short of exemplary.
I also saw where that "Ok, Boomer" girl won a seat for the Greens in Auckland