Re: In the news today....
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:22 am
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:I'm sorry that you just don't understand what the movement is about, it's not about offending people, it's about treating people equally, and American has a horrible history of not doing that to all minorities, those are facts. Again, you take the negative that they say or do and paint the whole movement with the same brush and think that the overall message is wrong. I don't agree with everything they say or do, but that doesn't mean I don't agree with the overall message. Just like I'm sure you don't agree with everything that Trump says or does, but you still support him overall. It's just about equality and justice. I don't see why that is so hard to understand? The overall argument gets lost with these petty little side arguments that rise up during the main discussion. I've said many times, I don't agree with how this is all going down and being handled, but I'm rational enough to realize that the bad elements of the movement don't change the overall message. Too many people just wanna take the side of their already held political view, it's possible not to agree with the right or the left, it's possible to have rational opinions that fall toward the middle of the spectrum. It's possible to agree with a movement and it's message, and still not agree with every aspect of how its handled. It's called being rational and reasonable.
No that is not the issue! Nothing about the protests now are reasonable because the vast majority of the protesters have a far wider and more dangerous agenda than simply justice for George Floyd. That is my only point about BLM...they are not what you and even our football club understand. The whole situation needs be looked at from 40,000 feet.
Yes America and every culture has a HISTORY of inequality. Everyone understands that. The fact is that we as a nation have moved legislatively and socially to remedy that by enacting civil rights laws starting in the 60's and through social awareness. Desegregation was vital, as was looking past one;s skin colour and into a man's heart as MLK preached. Yes there are racist individuals, there always will be. But systemic racism is a falsehood simply because by definition that was eliminated by law. The term racism has been diluted into meaninglessness now. Every injustice and problem is blamed on racism when in fact those problems are more often due to poverty which correlates into crime and drug use. Yes poverty and crime is more prevalent in poor black communities...but also in poor white communities. That says to us that the issues are cultural not racial. But given "racism" has been used as a political tool for decades now the dye is set. This is what the right has been warning about all this time. It why ID politics is so poisonous. It separates and segregates for frankly evil purposes. It why have such a political divide and it is sickening.
Why given all the resources, all the effort, all the attitude changes across the whole population to fight racism, the election of black leadership in all these inner cities does poverty still exist to that level? I think it comes down to the disintegration of family structure and welfare dependence.
So we have "protesters" protesting the past, tearing down statues, demanding we get rid of all vestiges of the past. That is why I refer to Huxley and Orwell, to Communism and Marxism...all either warned or implemented that insidious tactic. Yes we have some well meaning protesters, but BLM is not in that category.
To simply infer anyone that does speak out against what these protests are now about, or to look to the true basis of the poverty and crime is bigoted or not understanding is cop out. To solve any problem you need to first fully understand and whole issue to find a solution. I am looking beyond the hype and social pressure to conform to blindly support the likes of BLM when their true agenda is to destroy our whole structure of democracy.
PRSS are you seriously telling me you think the vast majority of protestors are BLM, ANTIFA, Left Wing extremists, as opposed to the vast majority of people being blacks and whites fed up with the racially biased aggression toward black people alongside a minority that are BLM, ANTIFA and left wing extremists ?
I know people that have gone to the marches in London, none of them are BLM, they are marching to show support and nothing more. Interestingly, a good friend of mine practices (or used to) martial arts with the group of black guys that rescued that white EDL guy that was famously captured in the photo recently. Apparently they only went to the march because they knew the EDL were going to try to be aggressive against the BLM protestors and went to "protect" whoever they needed to. So this blanket assignment that everyone marching is a Left wing nut BLM agitator is nonsense.