VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
It does amuse me
The outrage of the idea of a character who can travel through time and space and regenerate into anything.... As long as it's a white man - amirite?
by UFGN » Sun May 08, 2022 9:29 pm
VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
by UFGN » Sun May 08, 2022 9:29 pm
by Ach » Sun May 08, 2022 9:33 pm
by VCC » Sun May 08, 2022 9:49 pm
UFGN wrote:VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
It does amuse me
The outrage of the idea of a character who can travel through time and space and regenerate into anything.... As long as it's a white man - amirite?
by UFGN » Sun May 08, 2022 10:57 pm
VCC wrote:UFGN wrote:VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
It does amuse me
The outrage of the idea of a character who can travel through time and space and regenerate into anything.... As long as it's a white man - amirite?
World has got so pc you have to please every group.
I have not watched since Pertwee
by DiamondGooner » Mon May 09, 2022 12:33 am
UFGN wrote:VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
It does amuse me
The outrage of the idea of a character who can travel through time and space and regenerate into anything.... As long as it's a white man - amirite?
by UFGN » Mon May 09, 2022 12:53 am
DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
It does amuse me
The outrage of the idea of a character who can travel through time and space and regenerate into anything.... As long as it's a white man - amirite?
But that's why for me its not a problem, its written into the character although everything these days feels like a forced political message and that's why people get repelled by it.
However I do have massive problems when its historical programmes or certain characters which are depicted a way and its a franchise character for e.g Batman or James Bond etc.
Why, because people recognise their likeness from visual pages of comics or decades worth of films, second there are plenty of characters which are not white, your doing those ones a diservice by thinking a person of "colour" has to inhabit a white character........ it feels like a cheap knock off for PC purposes.
Dr Who though as you say, he comes back as anything so why not ......... well actually, no I don't like it, he should be Chinese, Trans or Arabic, why do white Directors always think "the alternative has to be black"? that to me seems like typical progressive self serving guilt relief.
That's why I find it completely disingenious, its not for people of other races its to make themselves feel better, at least Marvel for example is making efforts to actually include people from around the world, not just making it a black and white thing.
by Goonerred » Mon May 09, 2022 7:29 am
Royal Gooner wrote:Well they tried the woman and it didn't work. Be interesting to see what he does. But with Davies back, hopefully we'll get some decent writing. They can start by writing off the woman doctor as a whole dream sequence.
by Royal Gooner » Mon May 09, 2022 3:55 pm
UFGN wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
It does amuse me
The outrage of the idea of a character who can travel through time and space and regenerate into anything.... As long as it's a white man - amirite?
But that's why for me its not a problem, its written into the character although everything these days feels like a forced political message and that's why people get repelled by it.
However I do have massive problems when its historical programmes or certain characters which are depicted a way and its a franchise character for e.g Batman or James Bond etc.
Why, because people recognise their likeness from visual pages of comics or decades worth of films, second there are plenty of characters which are not white, your doing those ones a diservice by thinking a person of "colour" has to inhabit a white character........ it feels like a cheap knock off for PC purposes.
Dr Who though as you say, he comes back as anything so why not ......... well actually, no I don't like it, he should be Chinese, Trans or Arabic, why do white Directors always think "the alternative has to be black"? that to me seems like typical progressive self serving guilt relief.
That's why I find it completely disingenious, its not for people of other races its to make themselves feel better, at least Marvel for example is making efforts to actually include people from around the world, not just making it a black and white thing.
In theatre this is a big issue.
I support anyone who is good enough playing any role in theatre..... as long as their appearance, including their race, is appropriate for the role
Example: Can a black actor play The Phantom? Yes. There is nothing in the script that says he'd be unlikely to be black, and his being white or black has no impact on the rest of the characters
Can a black actor play Jean Valjean in Les Mis? Probably not. In the play, the character blends seamlessly into society, and becomes mayor if his local town, while all the time successfully staying on the run from the police for years. Unlikely a black man in 18th century France would pull that off. The character of Cosette would also have to be played by a black actress because Valjean successfully masquerades as her father
by UFGN » Mon May 09, 2022 4:30 pm
Royal Gooner wrote:UFGN wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:VCC wrote:When is the Asian or Muslim happening
It does amuse me
The outrage of the idea of a character who can travel through time and space and regenerate into anything.... As long as it's a white man - amirite?
But that's why for me its not a problem, its written into the character although everything these days feels like a forced political message and that's why people get repelled by it.
However I do have massive problems when its historical programmes or certain characters which are depicted a way and its a franchise character for e.g Batman or James Bond etc.
Why, because people recognise their likeness from visual pages of comics or decades worth of films, second there are plenty of characters which are not white, your doing those ones a diservice by thinking a person of "colour" has to inhabit a white character........ it feels like a cheap knock off for PC purposes.
Dr Who though as you say, he comes back as anything so why not ......... well actually, no I don't like it, he should be Chinese, Trans or Arabic, why do white Directors always think "the alternative has to be black"? that to me seems like typical progressive self serving guilt relief.
That's why I find it completely disingenious, its not for people of other races its to make themselves feel better, at least Marvel for example is making efforts to actually include people from around the world, not just making it a black and white thing.
In theatre this is a big issue.
I support anyone who is good enough playing any role in theatre..... as long as their appearance, including their race, is appropriate for the role
Example: Can a black actor play The Phantom? Yes. There is nothing in the script that says he'd be unlikely to be black, and his being white or black has no impact on the rest of the characters
Can a black actor play Jean Valjean in Les Mis? Probably not. In the play, the character blends seamlessly into society, and becomes mayor if his local town, while all the time successfully staying on the run from the police for years. Unlikely a black man in 18th century France would pull that off. The character of Cosette would also have to be played by a black actress because Valjean successfully masquerades as her father
You say that but, when I went to see Les Mis in the West End, they had the Bishop played by a black actor. Possibly not that historically accurate but I think theatres seem to be going for a colour blind casting method nowadays.
As for playing specifically set colour characters, they could always do Sir Patrick Stewart's "photo negative" casting where they specifically reverse the race of the characters (so ie. Othello could be played by a white man and the rest of the cast could be black)
by Phil71 » Mon May 09, 2022 5:48 pm
by Goonerred » Mon May 09, 2022 6:31 pm
Phil71 wrote:Black actors should get parts if they're the best person for it. For instance I think Clive Myrie getting the Mastermind job was a good move, although my personal choice would have been Victoria Coren.
The BBC however do seem to want to shoe-horn as many non-white males into as many roles as they can. I don't know if that's the case with this Dr Who fella, but it's certainly the case with a lot of their other programmes. I recall my wife watching a mini series recently about a submarine in the Royal Navy. Half the crew - particularly the officers were non-white. The Admiral was a black woman! So far removed from reality it's laughable.
by VCC » Mon May 09, 2022 6:34 pm
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