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Postby UFGN » Sat May 28, 2022 3:08 pm

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FYI - The vast majority of illegal guns end up in Democratic controlled areas - sure that because they control most urban sprawls and that they are brought in from outside - but if the Dems fixed that - banned all guns within city limits that didn't have a city issued permit, there is nothing the right could or would do to stop that - has any city they control yet done that?

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Apparently Chicago made a real effort to reduce guns but the constitution caused a lot of those efforts to have to be rolled back. Which is why Cons making snide comments about Chicago is especially nasty imo.

Especially when you consider that there are cities in republican areas with worse gun violence per capita than Chicago....it's just that Chicago has a bigger population. Again, Cons know this but the bad faith is real so they dgas.
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby EliteKiller » Sat May 28, 2022 3:41 pm

UFGN wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:.

FYI - The vast majority of illegal guns end up in Democratic controlled areas - sure that because they control most urban sprawls and that they are brought in from outside - but if the Dems fixed that - banned all guns within city limits that didn't have a city issued permit, there is nothing the right could or would do to stop that - has any city they control yet done that?

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Apparently Chicago made a real effort to reduce guns but the constitution caused a lot of those efforts to have to be rolled back. Which is why Cons making snide comments about Chicago is especially nasty imo.

Especially when you consider that there are cities in republican areas with worse gun violence per capita than Chicago....it's just that Chicago has a bigger population. Again, Cons know this but the bad faith is real so they dgas.


That is true, Chicago did try, but it passed the 'wrong' legislation some of which was unconstitutional - their main issue is 'straw purchases' A person can legally buy a gun (or ten) then immediately sell them to another member of the public with no checks done at that point. The law they should have passed would have been to make that secondary sale or purchase illegal (that wouldn't apply out of state) BUT and here's what they missed - they could make the possesion of such a gun a criminal offence within their jurisdiction.

They have reduced straw purchasing, but the reduction in policing and the ever increasing supply of 'ghost' guns has since seen a massive increase in illegal guns and gun deaths.

Chicago did try but did so in a way that was bound to fail - again sighting other countries that have reduced gun ownership massively you need a carrot and stick approach - reward for handing in illegal guns, massive penalty for holding one after that cut-off date, with a concerted enforcement to go find those guns - the reality was that decent laws were passed but no attempt was ever made to enforce them. Mainly because any attempt to control guns could be seen as racist (never knew guns were colour sensitive) and thus it won't happen in Dems territory.

Yup in Republican areas it's seen as an attack on some 400 year old outdated bullshit dogma - but that's not really where the problem lies.
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby Losmeister » Sat May 28, 2022 6:36 pm

howebout the TEXAS sized cowardice of those police officers?
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby UFGN » Sat May 28, 2022 7:07 pm

Losmeister wrote:howebout the TEXAS sized cowardice of those police officers?


Imagine taking a cop's salary and not getting stuck in when kids are being slaughtered

If you don't fancy a dangerous job, don't apply for one

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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Sat May 28, 2022 7:31 pm

Apparently Chicago made a real effort to reduce guns but the constitution caused a lot of those efforts to have to be rolled back. Which is why Cons making snide comments about Chicago is especially nasty imo.


More pap. The "snide comments"? You are referring to the people with true concern about the violence because you have no understanding of the issue. As always you are not concerned with reality but rather your emotionalism. If you did care you would deal in facts. And no, Chicago has not made a good faith effort to control guns, crime or gang violence. They have simply tried to make a Constitutional right a crime for political reasons. Strange how you adore and look to corrupt politicians for every answer. They lie to you over and over and you keep falling for it.

Especially when you consider that there are cities in republican areas with worse gun violence per capita than Chicago....it's just that Chicago has a bigger population. Again, Cons know this but the bad faith is real so they dgas.


Name those cities. In fact name any major city that is under GOP control and has been. There are none. Please try.



The basic truth that you avoid at all costs is that these problems are all created by liberal policies. The erosion of standards and family are all traceable to LBJ, the sixties counterculture and socialism.
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Sat May 28, 2022 7:40 pm

Yup in Republican areas it's seen as an attack on some 400 year old outdated bullshit dogma - but that's not really where the problem lies.


Not true. It is the media line, but not true.

American culture revolves around freedom, liberty and a healthy distrust of government. The past three years have solidified those beliefs. Thank BLM and Biden for the massive increase in first time gun owners...mostly liberals. People do not know about any other organizations than the NRA. We have the Socialist Rifle Association, the African American Gun Association and many others that get no grief.
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Sat May 28, 2022 7:45 pm

Losmeister wrote:howebout the TEXAS sized cowardice of those police officers?



Indeed. Heads should roll.

It took an off duty Border Agent getting his haircut, borrowing the barber's shotgun and responding to take action.

The SWAT team that took an hour to respond was 40 miles away dealing with an illegal immigrant/drug safe house raid. So if the UFGN wants to blame someone other than the mental shooter perhaps Biden should be right up there?
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby UFGN » Sat May 28, 2022 7:52 pm

PRISS you have a healthy mistrust of government

I have a healthy mistrust of a gun loving ex soldier who loves shooting animals for sport telling me who is at fault for America’s gun problems , especially when that same person is a bad faith spin merchant

Maybe start by looking in the mirror
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby UFGN » Sat May 28, 2022 8:06 pm

Socialist Rifle Association he says….. membership 2,000 according to wiki :rofll:
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby EliteKiller » Sat May 28, 2022 8:07 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
Yup in Republican areas it's seen as an attack on some 400 year old outdated bullshit dogma - but that's not really where the problem lies.


Not true. It is the media line, but not true.

American culture revolves around freedom, liberty and a healthy distrust of government. The past three years have solidified those beliefs. Thank BLM and Biden for the massive increase in first time gun owners...mostly liberals. People do not know about any other organizations than the NRA. We have the Socialist Rifle Association, the African American Gun Association and many others that get no grief.


Ignoring the fact that America is a baby and has no real culture, legal gun ownership is not the problem. It's illegal gun ownership that causes the vast majority of homicides (up 30% in two years) and that shoot first gun 'culture' is barely a few years old. The US firearm homicide rate, whilst stupidly high, had been declining for the last 30 years, that all changed in 2014.

It has nothing to do with a centuries old document, most gun totting murders wouldn't know the constitution from having constipation, to even pretend that it matters to them is plain crazy.
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby UFGN » Sat May 28, 2022 8:20 pm

Americans who have put their cONstItUtIoNaL rIgHtS first, (basically the :crybaby: not fair don’t take my toy away crowd)……. What can I say? Congratulations to them. They’ve won. 400 million guns in circulation.

Their gift to generations is graveyards full of dead people. Including graveyards full of dead kids.

A toxic mix of guns everywhere and a toxic aggressive culture that drives bullied, or disturbed, or neglected and ill people, to use them on innocent people like nowhere else in the world. What a horrible country.
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Sat May 28, 2022 8:45 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
Yup in Republican areas it's seen as an attack on some 400 year old outdated bullshit dogma - but that's not really where the problem lies.


Not true. It is the media line, but not true.

American culture revolves around freedom, liberty and a healthy distrust of government. The past three years have solidified those beliefs. Thank BLM and Biden for the massive increase in first time gun owners...mostly liberals. People do not know about any other organizations than the NRA. We have the Socialist Rifle Association, the African American Gun Association and many others that get no grief.


Ignoring the fact that America is a baby and has no real culture, legal gun ownership is not the problem. It's illegal gun ownership that causes the vast majority of homicides (up 30% in two years) and that shoot first gun 'culture' is barely a few years old. The US firearm homicide rate, whilst stupidly high, had been declining for the last 30 years, that all changed in 2014.

It has nothing to do with a centuries old document, most gun totting murders wouldn't know the constitution from having constipation, to even pretend that it matters to them is plain crazy.



Oh there is American culture, in fact there are regional subcultures. After all that is perhaps the biggest bitch about America, we export the bad aspects of our culture overseas. Gun violence and gang banging included.

Lets not forget the border issue in which cartels from all over bring drug violence to the US, both in cities and rural areas. If you take my state of Montana for instance. Gun violence is low, but what there is occurs between drug dealers/users and they center around Indian reservations.
If you look at places like Minnesota or Illinois the vast majority of gun violence is in the cities like Chicago and Minneapolis while the countryside where most legal gun owners are there is very little.


You are right, criminals don't care about much (until they try to rob an armed citizen). Average gun owners do care greatly. The Constitution does not afford 2nd Amendment rights to criminals anyway, so nobody is pretending on that front. Illegal gun ownership is illegal, legal gun ownership is legal. If a legal gun is used illegally then the owner becomes a criminal.
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Sat May 28, 2022 8:51 pm

UFGN wrote:Socialist Rifle Association he says….. membership 2,000 according to wiki :rofll:


Why do you not respect the rights or views of minorities? I say, what a stuffed shirt old boy toff you are! You sound like Maggie Thatcher. :biggrin:
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Re: Re: In the news today....

Postby Losmeister » Sat May 28, 2022 10:09 pm

UFGN wrote:Their gift to generations is graveyards full of dead people. Including graveyards full of dead kids.

A toxic mix of guns everywhere and a toxic aggressive culture that drives bullied, or disturbed, or neglected and ill people, to use them on innocent people like nowhere else in the world. What a horrible country.


so so so many actually believe the Lone Ranger wild west notion that the TOOL OF DEATH is CENTRAL to being "free" that it symbolizes power.

horrible people in powerful positions driving MISINFOMATION and DISINFORMATION so that the rich can stay that way and the poor can kill one another while fighting for tabel scraps.

same as it ever was.

and f**k the UK for turning the east india company loose on the world.
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