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[Jedi]

Your opinion is all that matters if you're talking about how YOU feel about a certain issue.

He thinks its equally gay to sleep with a man or trans woman, I feel the same way.

That's our opinion on the subject.

Yeah but that doesn't mean your opinion is worth anything. Jedi has the right to say your opinion is worthless if you don't back it up with anything.

It's like saying that, in your opinion, the earth is flat. Well, sure. Have that opinion, but I have the right to use scientific evidence to point out that it's wrong. If you just keep reiterating your opinion without backing it up then you're adding nothing to the conversation and wasting everyone's time.

And, also, what's the point in having an opinion if you can't argue in favour of it beyond 'that's just how I think it is.'

He did back it up though.

He said both were born men so sleeping with either is equally gay.

But you need to prove to me that what they are fits the definiton of the word men. We have a disagreement about definitions of words, not biology.

How do you yourself decide if someone is a man or a woman? Imagine yourself going down the street. You're looking at two people. How do you decide which one is a man and which one is a woman? Do you: a) Look at their facial features, their body fat ratio, their bone structure, how their hair looks and what clothes and make up they wear and do they have any facial hair or tits?

Or do you

b) approach both, grab their junk to see if they have a dick, ask them both if they bleed once a month and whether or not they are able to bare children?

The obvious answer is A. Essentially everyone on planet earth decides this way when accessing whether someone is a man or a woman. This is the same way we go about attraction. You're sexually attracted to women because of their breasts, asses, facial structure, body figure. Unless you really get off on period blood and pregnancy which is bare weird.

This is why i define "man" as someone who has typical masculine features. Not someone who is born with a dick.
This is why i define "woman" as someone who has typical feminine features. Not someone who was born with a vagina.
You do it too when you look at people on the street every day.

Now you need to defend why the definition of words "man" and "woman" has to be hyper focused on genitalia and can't encompass trans people? There's plenty of ways to do this and it's a very interesting argument to be had but simply saying "a man is a man" or conflating nature with language misses the mark completely.

[Fenice]

Solid post by Jedi there.

[DiamondGooner]

Your opinion is all that matters if you're talking about how YOU feel about a certain issue.

He thinks its equally gay to sleep with a man or trans woman, I feel the same way.

That's our opinion on the subject.

Yeah but that doesn't mean your opinion is worth anything. Jedi has the right to say your opinion is worthless if you don't back it up with anything.

It's like saying that, in your opinion, the earth is flat. Well, sure. Have that opinion, but I have the right to use scientific evidence to point out that it's wrong. If you just keep reiterating your opinion without backing it up then you're adding nothing to the conversation and wasting everyone's time.

And, also, what's the point in having an opinion if you can't argue in favour of it beyond 'that's just how I think it is.'

He did back it up though.

He said both were born men so sleeping with either is equally gay.

But you need to prove to me that what they are fits the definiton of the word men. We have a disagreement about definitions of words, not biology.

How do you yourself decide if someone is a man or a woman? Imagine yourself going down the street. You're looking at two people. How do you decide which one is a man and which one is a woman? Do you: a) Look at their facial features, their body fat ratio, their bone structure, how their hair looks and what clothes and make up they wear and do they have any facial hair or tits?

Or do you

b) approach both, grab their junk to see if they have a d***, ask them both if they bleed once a month and whether or not they are able to bare children?

The obvious answer is A. Essentially everyone on planet earth decides this way when accessing whether someone is a man or a woman. This is the same way we go about attraction. You're sexually attracted to women because of their breasts, asses, facial structure, body figure. Unless you really get off on period blood and pregnancy which is bare weird.

This is why i define "man" as someone who has typical masculine features. Not someone who is born with a d***.
This is why i define "woman" as someone who has typical feminine features. Not someone who was born with a vagina.
You do it too when you look at people on the street every day.

Now you need to defend why the definition of words "man" and "woman" has to be hyper focused on genitalia and can't encompass trans people? There's plenty of ways to do this and it's a very interesting argument to be had but simply saying "a man is a man" or conflating nature with language misses the mark completely.

Its not a solid post at all Fenice.

This is again millennial clap trap because Jedi is basing a definition not on actual facts but on "perception", clothes, long hair, implants and fake nails do not = a real woman.

I repeat, perception is not the measuring stick of sex > actual biology is.

Worse thing is and where your argument just falls to pieces as does most millennial arguments once you get behind the fancy trendy revising of "what do words even mean" is this .....................

Tranny's can get a real woman pregnant ............... your argument is in tatters all over the floor.

What "woman" do you know can impregnate someone with sperm ffs?

There, that is my definition of a man, appearances are just that, actual biology is reality, magic is misdirection, doesn't mean its real.

Argue that (if its even possible).

This is why i define "man" as someone who has typical masculine features. Not someone who is born with a d***.

Great but that's "your" definition, and its your opinion only, as you said earlier, it means nothing, especially when your doing this with ulterior motives.

You fapped off to tranny porn didn't you? now your looking for approval, just admit it.

This matter is close to your heart I can tell.

[Pudpop]

Believe it or not DG, I really don't think Jedi gives two fucks about your approving his wanking habits

[Jedi]

Believe it or not DG, I really don't think Jedi gives two fucks about your approving his wanking habits

Yeah, i keep ignoring his jabs because acknowledging would imply i think there's something wrong with fapping to trannies. Which i don't.

Its not a solid post at all Fenice.

This is again millennial clap trap because Jedi is basing a definition not on actual facts but on "perception", clothes, long hair, implants and fake nails do not = a real woman.

I repeat, perception is not the measuring stick of sex > actual biology is.

Worse thing is and where your argument just falls to pieces as does most millennial arguments once you get behind the fancy trendy revising of "what do words even mean" is this .....................

Tranny's can get a real woman pregnant ............... your argument is in tatters all over the floor.

What "woman" do you know can impregnate someone with sperm ffs?

There, that is my definition of a man, appearances are just that, actual biology is reality, magic is misdirection, doesn't mean its real.

Argue that (if its even possible).

This is why i define "man" as someone who has typical masculine features. Not someone who is born with a d***.

Great but that's "your" definition, and its your opinion only, as you said earlier, it means nothing, especially when your doing this with ulterior motives.

You fapped off to tranny porn didn't you? now your looking for approval, just admit it.

This matter is close to your heart I can tell.

I'm reserving the words "man" and "woman" for gender - how our society perceives people, not ignoring biology.
I reserve the words "male" and "female" for biological sex and most of the things you've classified as what defines a man and a woman and the biological stuff. Therefore, for the record one millionth time, I've dealt your "actual biology" argument.

I am very aware of the actual biology and i do not ignore it, no matter how many times you try to ignore my rebuttal i will repeat it again and again.

Ok so lets make a list of things you think define the words "man" and woman":

Man - Has a dick, can impregnate women with sperm.
Woman - Born with a vagina, can bear children and have periods.

If i hold you to this standard of words, you are not allowed to give people a gender unless you've felt their junk. When you go to the store and speak to the cashier you can't call her a "she" unless you've confirmed that she has a vagina and is able to bare children. When you see a big bearded guy going down the street you're not to call him a man unless he shows you his package. You will be completely agnostic to the topic of gender when talking to people and you will use the pronouns they/them unless you positively know they fit your definition of "man" or "woman".

If you're going to say that you're into women, going by your own definitions you are sexually attracted by the fact that they can pop children out of their vaginas. This is, in fact, the only distinction you can make between a trans woman and a biological woman so it must be the case.

Or you could just concede that this is not how we perceive gender in society.

[Phil71]

Most of the men-to women transsexuals still look like men dressed up as women. Most of the time it’s pretty easy to tell.

There are rare exceptions, but I’d guess that even with them, when you get up close and personal there’d be something that’d give it away.

[Pudpop]

Most of the men-to women transsexuals still look like men dressed up as women. Most of the time it’s pretty easy to tell.

There are rare exceptions, but I’d guess that even with them, when you get up close and personal there’d be something that’d give it away.

There are also plenty of cisgendered males who naturally look like a woman and vice versa though. Does that mean you would assign them a different gender because of what they look like?

[Fenice]

Nother solid post. I’m just going to hang out here for a bit with some tea and watch.

[Ach]

Remember my time in Philippines, had a he/she/it thing try it on me and my mates outside of a club but we weren't sure if it was a she or not and that doubt was enough to tell it to f**k off after it insisted we touch her tits as proof she wasn't a tranny so my friends did. Still couldn't be sure. That doubt is enough

[UFGN]

A lot of stupid little boys showing themselves up here in all seriousness

I don't understand how trans people feel about gender but just because I don't understand it doesn't mean they're wrong and certainly doesn't mean they deserve to be sneered at

We've got the resident forum fuckwits referring to them as "it" and making boilerplate comments that should have died out in the 70s

And you DG, wind your neck in. You sound like a right prat referring to opinions as 'Milenial'

[Phil71]

Most of the men-to women transsexuals still look like men dressed up as women. Most of the time it’s pretty easy to tell.

There are rare exceptions, but I’d guess that even with them, when you get up close and personal there’d be something that’d give it away.

There are also plenty of cisgendered males who naturally look like a woman and vice versa though. Does that mean you would assign them a different gender because of what they look like?

I’m not assigning anything.

I’m just saying, no matter if a man turns himself into a woman, most of the time he’ll just look like a man dressed as a woman.

[Va-Va-Voom]

Your opinion is all that matters if you're talking about how YOU feel about a certain issue.

He thinks its equally gay to sleep with a man or trans woman, I feel the same way.

That's our opinion on the subject.

Yeah but that doesn't mean your opinion is worth anything. Jedi has the right to say your opinion is worthless if you don't back it up with anything.

It's like saying that, in your opinion, the earth is flat. Well, sure. Have that opinion, but I have the right to use scientific evidence to point out that it's wrong. If you just keep reiterating your opinion without backing it up then you're adding nothing to the conversation and wasting everyone's time.

And, also, what's the point in having an opinion if you can't argue in favour of it beyond 'that's just how I think it is.'

He did back it up though.

He said both were born men so sleeping with either is equally gay.

But you need to prove to me that what they are fits the definiton of the word men. We have a disagreement about definitions of words, not biology.

How do you yourself decide if someone is a man or a woman? Imagine yourself going down the street. You're looking at two people. How do you decide which one is a man and which one is a woman? Do you: a) Look at their facial features, their body fat ratio, their bone structure, how their hair looks and what clothes and make up they wear and do they have any facial hair or tits?

Or do you

b) approach both, grab their junk to see if they have a d***, ask them both if they bleed once a month and whether or not they are able to bare children?

The obvious answer is A. Essentially everyone on planet earth decides this way when accessing whether someone is a man or a woman. This is the same way we go about attraction. You're sexually attracted to women because of their breasts, asses, facial structure, body figure. Unless you really get off on period blood and pregnancy which is bare weird.

This is why i define "man" as someone who has typical masculine features. Not someone who is born with a d***.
This is why i define "woman" as someone who has typical feminine features. Not someone who was born with a vagina.
You do it too when you look at people on the street every day.

Now you need to defend why the definition of words "man" and "woman" has to be hyper focused on genitalia and can't encompass trans people? There's plenty of ways to do this and it's a very interesting argument to be had but simply saying "a man is a man" or conflating nature with language misses the mark completely.

This is an entirely different debate and one I could care less about, gender vs sex, how society views the two etc.

The original one was about quantifying gayness (which one is more gay?) - which is ridiculous in itself - but I answered it since you asked.

[LMAO]

How do you yourself decide if someone is a man or a woman? Imagine yourself going down the street. You're looking at two people. How do you decide which one is a man and which one is a woman? Do you: a) Look at their facial features, their body fat ratio, their bone structure, how their hair looks and what clothes and make up they wear and do they have any facial hair or tits?

What are some examples that differentiate a man from a woman?

[DiamondGooner]

Believe it or not DG, I really don't think Jedi gives two fucks about your approving his wanking habits

Yeah, i keep ignoring his jabs because acknowledging would imply i think there's something wrong with fapping to trannies. Which i don't.

You're a good sport Jedi I'll give you that.

[Royal Gooner]

A lot of stupid little boys showing themselves up here in all seriousness

I don't understand how trans people feel about gender but just because I don't understand it doesn't mean they're wrong and certainly doesn't mean they deserve to be sneered at

We've got the resident forum fuckwits referring to them as "it" and making boilerplate comments that should have died out in the 70s

And you DG, wind your neck in. You sound like a right prat referring to opinions as 'Milenial'

Calm down dear, it's only harmless banter.