RVP signs for Manure - official

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Postby Inchpräctice » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:48 pm

CynicalGooner wrote:
Inchpractice wrote:I didn't say I didn't want to change formation, I just said that's what we do. You have to buy a squad that takes into account the way you play and if you play one striker up front then you can't have four top class strikers unless you're City.

You said you'd be happy with 3 plus Afobe, I'm saying 2 plus two younger types so we don't really differ than much at the end of the day.
The reality is that when the window closes if we don't get another striker our starting order of strikers will be:
Giroud
Podolski
Theo
Gervinho

Which isn't all that bad, although it could be better.
That's based on us getting rid of dead wood and not replacing them.

If the window closes and we've bought someone then it'll look better.
We've sold Vela, Bendtner is about to be sold any minute, we sold RVP and we may yet get rid of Park and/or Chamakh so we'll free up some wages for a new player.

So it could end up as:

Giroud
Podolski
New player
Theo

Which for a club that only plays one striker isn't too bad imo.

Bear in mind as well that even though we don't play 4-4-2 Podolski can play on one wing, Gerv/Theo on the other and Giroud up front so technically we're putting at least two strikers on the pitch.

But if you include Theo and Gervinho who are really our wingers then you have to count all three forward positions as strikers, not just the one.

Podolski is good as he can play left and CF, no problem there. Giroud is clearly a specialised number 9, again no problems there. But I see a large hole in the squad that needs filling, another versatile striker who's main and best position is in the middle but is decent out wide too. Whereas Gervinho is 100% a winger who can maybe do a job in the middle, maybe....


Yes I was including them as 'players who can play there if necessary'.
Theo is a striker who is being forced to play on the wing so he can play up front. Gervinho is fourth choice on my first list because he's really a winger but I'd still prefer him to Chamakh.
If you take out the seasons when we relied heavily on RVP or Henry we tend to spread the goals around so in an emergency situation Gerv wouldn't need to actually become a number 9 overnight he'd just need to attack defenders and drag them out of position allowing space for other players to score.
Bear in mind that even Henry never really played centrally when he was our main source of goals, he was always drifting in from the left wing.

I do agree with you though, one more striker would complete the set nicely.
Still want us to buy a GK though...
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Inchpräctice » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:51 pm

Plymouth Gooner wrote:The problem is that you can't sign a striker when you have nik, cham and park still on the books.

IMO there isn't a third choice striker out there who is anywhere near as good as nik. Shame we couldn't sweet talk him into staying.


His ego doesn't allow him to be third choice. He won't be third choice anywhere and that's why we're struggling to get rid of him.
His list of requirements is too long and too stringent.
As already documented he wants a) easy access to his son b) regular games and c) CL football so that narrows it down a f**k of a lot!

He's going to have to compromise on at least one of those or he'll end up unemployed.
I agree with you though, he would've been good back-up.
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby GSK_AFC » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:54 pm

Anybody else hear about RVP and Ramsey having rows? and RVP wanting Ramsey out?
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Olivier's Twist » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:58 pm

Sir Alex Ferguson does not think Robin van Persie would have left Arsenal for any club other than Manchester United.

The Old Trafford giants finally completed a £24million deal for the former Gunners captain on Friday morning and the striker has signed a four-year contract.

United's derby rivals and defending champions, Manchester City, and Italian title winners Juventus had also both wanted Van Persie.

But the Premier League's leading scorer from last season with 30 goals only wanted to join 19-time kings of England and three-time European Cup winners United, according to Ferguson.The United boss told MUTV: "The boy wanted to come. He turned down various clubs.

"If he hadn't told Arsenal he wanted to go to Manchester United, the transfer wouldn't have happened."

Ferguson admitted he thought it would be impossible to get Van Persie to sign from their fierce foes but had to make an attempt when he did not want a new contract with Arsenal.
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby StLGooner » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:59 pm

GSK_AFC wrote:Anybody else hear about RVP and Ramsey having rows? and RVP wanting Ramsey out?


Read an article about how he said he only thought a few of our players were good enough to play with. Ramsey being one of the ones he didn't think was good enough.
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Inchpräctice » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:00 pm

More from AW:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... -situation


Wenger - We were prepared for this situation

By Rob Kelly

Arsène Wenger says his Arsenal squad is well placed to deal with Robin van Persie’s departure because the Club “anticipated the situation”.

The Dutch striker completed his move to Manchester United on Friday, but the Gunners have ready-made replacements in new signings Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud.

It is a different story to last summer, when Wenger made late moves to replace Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri. The manager admits he acted swiftly to prevent a repeat.

“We are better prepared because we anticipated the situation,” he said. “That doesn't mean it is easy to replace a player like Robin.

“We are prepared and had anticipated the situation for a long, long time. We didn't manage to extend Van Persie's contract, we had to act and that is what we did.

“I have seen so many situations where players want to go and in the end they change their mind or players who stay and in the end they want to go. In our job you have to adapt.

“A human being sometimes has surprising actions and our job is to adapt day to day. Every day you find a new problem and you have just sorted one out. Then just behind that there is another one.”

Wenger admits it will be a challenge to replace the prolific Van Persie, but is confident his team have the necessary qualities to thrive this season.

“We bought players who can provide, we bought players who can score,” he said. “I read some articles and some people just add the goals of one player to the other - football doesn't work like that, it is more complicated and also more simple.

“We lose a great player, a world-class player, I don't deny that. It is a massive challenge to replace him, so we have to be even more of a team and work together more to compensate that loss. We have lost world-class players before and we always survived.”

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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Zenith » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:05 pm

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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Leody » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:06 pm

ChVint22 wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:Anybody else hear about RVP and Ramsey having rows? and RVP wanting Ramsey out?


Read an article about how he said he only thought a few of our players were good enough to play with. Ramsey being one of the ones he didn't think was good enough.


I would probably have to side with RVP in that one...
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Inchpräctice » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:10 pm

Leody wrote:
ChVint22 wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:Anybody else hear about RVP and Ramsey having rows? and RVP wanting Ramsey out?


Read an article about how he said he only thought a few of our players were good enough to play with. Ramsey being one of the ones he didn't think was good enough.


I would probably have to side with RVP in that one...


Yeah me too, although Zenith has a point. :grin:

Ramsey has been utter garbage but that's no excuse for buggering off to our rivals.
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby StLGooner » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:15 pm

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ChVint22 wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:Anybody else hear about RVP and Ramsey having rows? and RVP wanting Ramsey out?


Read an article about how he said he only thought a few of our players were good enough to play with. Ramsey being one of the ones he didn't think was good enough.


I would probably have to side with RVP in that one...



It's one thing to think it, but another to come out and throw your teammates under the bus. Complete c*** of a move.
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Leody » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:23 pm

Yeah, not saying it was the right thing to do... But he wasn't incorrect with the facts.
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Diaby24AFC » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:34 pm

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jgaugust wrote:So after speaking to a close friend who is on personal terms with AW and his family, apparently RVP was making squad demands about who he would and would not play with in addition to asking for 250K a week.



This is ominous. I'm pretty sure one of those players he didn't want to play with was Ramsey. Wenger must be reluctant to bench him, which means he may start ahead of the more talented midfielders like Diaby


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GSK_AFC wrote:Anybody else hear about RVP and Ramsey having rows? and RVP wanting Ramsey out?


Read an article about how he said he only thought a few of our players were good enough to play with. Ramsey being one of the ones he didn't think was good


If we are to be serious about the league, I don't want Ramsey to get regular starts in midfield. But it's inevitable with Rosicky and Wilshere injured and Song buggering off. He's decent but not Arsenal quality yet
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Inchpräctice » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:35 pm

Diaby2AFC wrote:
Diaby2AFC wrote:
jgaugust wrote:So after speaking to a close friend who is on personal terms with AW and his family, apparently RVP was making squad demands about who he would and would not play with in addition to asking for 250K a week.



This is ominous. I'm pretty sure one of those players he didn't want to play with was Ramsey. Wenger must be reluctant to bench him, which means he may start ahead of the more talented midfielders like Diaby


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GSK_AFC wrote:Anybody else hear about RVP and Ramsey having rows? and RVP wanting Ramsey out?


Read an article about how he said he only thought a few of our players were good enough to play with. Ramsey being one of the ones he didn't think was good


If we are to be serious about the league, I don't want Ramsey to get regular starts in midfield. But it's inevitable with Rosicky and Wilshere injured and Song buggering off. He's decent but not Arsenal quality yet


Wenger's son (DRB) will be ahead of Ramsey imo.
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Re: RVP signs for Manure - official

Postby Olivier's Twist » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:52 pm

c*** face has thanked the fans and Mr Wenger and the players technical staff etc. LOL
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