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Re: WWE

Postby Ach » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:24 am

Va-Va-Voom wrote:It's sad that we're almost in 2019 and they are relying on wrestler whose primes were in the 90s through early 00s.

But they aren't. This match between Undertaker and HHH was just for nostalgia. Both hardly wrestle now and neither are relied upon to carry the company but both and especially Taker have earned the right to do what they want and if they want to wrestle then they will.

Show would've have survived without them but nothing wrong with nostalgia now and then and with Smackdown 1000 coming up soon and hopefully Rock and co turn up considering the show is named out of a catchphrase of his then he should then that's another bit of nostalgia. WWE don't need to do it but fans love it
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Re: WWE

Postby Ach » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:26 am

Santi wrote:Can't believe this shit still exists, been terrible since they muffed all the fun out of the attitude era.


Hope the Rock gets hella coin n becomes champ again though, something interesting at last.

Its a far bigger company than it was back then and making much much more money

Doesn't make it as good and its not as bad as people think but attitude era was as good as it got

They are in talks to get Rock in for Smackdown 1000. Don't know yet if he will show
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Re: WWE

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:37 am

Chris Benoit fvcked it up for everyone the mad bastard.
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Re: WWE

Postby Ach » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:53 am

The reason for my name

What a legend
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Re: WWE

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:20 am

If hell is real Benoit is 100% there.
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Re: WWE

Postby SuperJackyWilshere » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:50 am

Ach wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:It's sad that we're almost in 2019 and they are relying on wrestler whose primes were in the 90s through early 00s.

But they aren't.


They are.

Check the article about The Rock.

Saudi Arabia want WWE to make The Rock champion just so they can have him as champion when they hold their event in 2019 lol.

WWE wouldn't just bring him back for no reason just to make him champion again unless theres a motive behind it.
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Re: WWE

Postby Royal Gooner » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:42 am

SuperJackyWilshere wrote:
Ach wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:It's sad that we're almost in 2019 and they are relying on wrestler whose primes were in the 90s through early 00s.

But they aren't.


They are.

Check the article about The Rock.

Saudi Arabia want WWE to make The Rock champion just so they can have him as champion when they hold their event in 2019 lol.

WWE wouldn't just bring him back for no reason just to make him champion again unless theres a motive behind it.


What His Royal Sheikhness wants, His Royal Sheikhness shall get by throwing all those petrodollars at Mr McMahon.

It's just what's best for business.
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Re: WWE

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:16 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
SuperJackyWilshere wrote:
Ach wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:It's sad that we're almost in 2019 and they are relying on wrestler whose primes were in the 90s through early 00s.

But they aren't.


They are.

Check the article about The Rock.

Saudi Arabia want WWE to make The Rock champion just so they can have him as champion when they hold their event in 2019 lol.

WWE wouldn't just bring him back for no reason just to make him champion again unless theres a motive behind it.


What His Royal Sheikhness wants, His Royal Sheikhness shall get by throwing all those petrodollars at Mr McMahon.

It's just what's best for business.

What an abortion of a non sport
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Re: WWE

Postby Ach » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:27 pm

Looks like The Rock will be making an appearance.

Hopefully hes there and not just on video
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Re: WWE

Postby Angelito » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:26 am

Va-Va-Voom wrote:Chris Benoit fvcked it up for everyone the mad bastard.


It was just a trigger. The Attitude Era officially ended with Austin's heel-turn at WrestleMania X-Seven. The post-era was called the Ruthless Aggression era, which lasted until Cena's rise and WWE turning PG.

To understand the success of the Attitude Era, you have to look at its preceding eras. WWE was filled with cartoon characters. Babyfaces were bland. Heels were simply jerks. The lines weren't blurred. Then, Attitude Era truly kicked off with Bret turning heel; Austin/Bret rivalry that culminated with an epic match at WrestleMania 13, and the rise of DX. 1997 was a chaotic year. So, from 1997 - 2001, the line between a heel and face was totally blurred. Matches were extreme, edgy. The product treaded on rated R materials. You had some of the biggest bad-asses of all time - Austin, Rock, Triple H, Mick Foley, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels (at the start), the Undertaker - who were later joined by technical marvels like Benoit, Angle, and Jericho. All of this reached a climax in 2000, which considered the greatest year in North American wrestling history. The storyline and matches ranged from great to legendary almost every week.

By 2001, it was, however, clear that WWE wouldn't be able to handle this chaotic, high-octane programming for much longer, which is what led to Austin's heel turn at WrestleMania X-Seven. That WM is also considered the greatest WM of all time and arguably one of the greatest PPVs ever. It's arguably as SummerSlam 2002, WM X, and WM XIX are right up there too.

2002 was pretty much a transitional year for WWE and WrestleMania XIX holds special significance as it's the last time the three stars of the Attitude Era wrestled in the same event (Rock, Austin, Triple H). So, they moved away from the Attitude Era because Rock had left for Hollywood, Austin retired, and only Triple H was left as a full-timer.

Even before 2007, WWE were already planning to go PG because that was how it was originally before the Attitude Era. They knew they had to cater to the younger audiences because the ones who grew up during the Attitude Era/were kids then were slowly turning away from WWE. They needed a new fanbase because the older one - of the Attitude Era - would rarely be able to see anyone else replace their idea of perfection. This was especially triggered after the Chris Benoit incident, so WWE also were now in charge of an image makeover where they had to make sure that wrestling as a whole didn't lose value on the face of such disaster. This did shape WWE's long-term plans in creating generic products, which is why the wrestlers today don't have the edge. The ones who do like Punk, Daniel Bryan, and AJ Style all come from indie backgrounds.

So, the wheels were in motion long before Benoit. John Cena as Superman Cena for the kids is what WWE wanted to adopt as their model, which they did. The Benoit incident only hastened the process.

WWE today does make more money that it used to before because of the global franchising and the world shrinking thanks to the digital revolution. That doesn't, however, mean that the product matches up. But with these social fads, I think human psychology is also very important. Every generation has his or her own version of "good," which is why for those of the 80s, it might be Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. For those of the 1990s, it's Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. For those who watched the Attitude Era, it's Austin, Rock, and Triple H. For the latter folks, it's Cena, Batista, Undertaker (he's a strange one as he could claim to be of any generation), etc.


Va-Va-Voom wrote:If hell is real Benoit is 100% there.


Can't blame the man, tbh. Post-mortem scans revealed that he had a brain of an 87-year-old with Alzheimer's. He destroyed his body to become the best and by God, I've not seen a better pure wrestler in my life. Sad how it all went down.
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Re: WWE

Postby Santi » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:53 pm

Randy Orton > Batista


The only quality character of the recent era. Fair play to Cena he does his role well and seems likeable enough but a bit boring and gifted title after title.
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Re: WWE

Postby Ach » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:56 pm

Cenas a part timer now
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Re: WWE

Postby Santi » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:02 pm

Yh soz didn't mean to make it sound current, just meant in general while he was the main guy.


Haven't watched properly in about 10 years
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Re: WWE

Postby Ach » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:04 pm

Stopped watching Raw when it went to 3 hours. Read everything that happens though so know what happens when I do watch.

Only watch the PPVs on the Network though. That's got a shit load of stuff from the Attitude Era. Need to check it out
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Re: WWE

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:36 pm

Angelito wrote:
Can't blame the man, tbh. Post-mortem scans revealed that he had a brain of an 87-year-old with Alzheimer's. He destroyed his body to become the best and by God, I've not seen a better pure wrestler in my life. Sad how it all went down.


Plenty of wrestlers have ravaged their bodies and brains, yet they somehow refrained from killing their family.

Also, Benoit a better pure wrestler than Kurt Angle?

Never.
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