Jedi wrote:Santi wrote:Losmeister wrote:if you look at the head to head w/ these three, Djoker is the best
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Pointless stat unless they’re all the same age/peaked at the same time.
I mean look at the Nadal - Federer one, 23-15 but of those only 3 matches on grass which would most likely swing in Federer's favour, while there are 15 matches on Clay and obviously dominated by Rafa
Other than Wimbledon, there isn't many relevant grass tournaments. Out of the 9 ATP 1000 Tournaments, 6 are on hard surfaces, 3 are on clay. It's not Nadals fault Federer happens to be dominant on the surface one tournament is played on.Santi wrote:Losmeister wrote:As for Djoko v Fed, no surprise that it's since 2011 when the record swung...Federer dominated during their early matches, leading 13–6 by the end of 2010, but Djokovic took over the lead in the head-to-head in 2016, thanks to a 19–9 record since 2011.
Doesn't coincide with Federer's decline at all does it? Guess what, happened to be Djoko's peak as well because there's 6 years between them ffs.
But in 2011 Federer was 29 and Djokovic was 23. This doesn't coincide with Federer's decline but Djokovic entering his prime. I mean this is his breakthrough year, where he had his crazy streak and destroyed everyone in his path, so if facing tougher opposition means you're declining then i guess his decline started at 26 since he hasn't dominated Tennis like Nadal and Djokovic past that age.
Also, Nadal shared his prime with both players and completely dominated Federer, but losing to Djokovic.
So for the first part, that doesn't make my point any less true? It just means the tennis schedule is favourable to Nadal's game over Federer and yet 23-15 isn't exactly a domination as you described. If anything it shows that Federer has the better all round game because Nadal has only spanked him on Clay and offset the H2H. Can spend all day taking those stats in favour of either man which is why I said they are pointless in trying to prove one over the other.
The simple reality is that GOAT discussions will come down to popularity because you can even argue Federer won his slams at an easier era of tennis (don't particularly agree, think it's unnecessary degrading but people do it) and therefore even most slams means nothing in reality, not without context.
Like I said, Djoko is a good player but he'll never have the following of the other two and that's partly down to his style, it's gotten better but it's not as exciting to watch and the other issue is that he came along third. Federer was already loved and, despite challenging the king, Nadal was loved because of the manner in which he came about.
Djokovic gets respect because he has been unbelievable and probably the most unbeatable any of the three of them have ever been but there is no way he is as popular or charismatic.
So, back to my original point, it is exactly why he will never be considered the GOAT, not because he isn't a good enough player. But I guess you're too busy automatically discarding my opinion to even read the rest of my posts and put aside your Serb love for Novak.