What did he do wrong?
He got caught....
by Cripps » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:54 pm
by 22-0 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:06 pm
Cripps wrote:What did he do wrong?
He got caught....
by S&W the no1Fan » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:11 pm
Maradonaitis wrote:Trina wrote:S & W, sorry but your posts are ridiculous against women. First, get them pregnant and you should be able to have nothing to do with the child....now, beat them up and it's ok. I watched the video and he is in the wrong.
I haven't read your replies or the thread because it will just be excuses from you.
Im really glad most men are not like you.
either you love or you hate your mom salty, its weird because you seem such a nice guy, but your vision regarding womans are really weird.
by StLGooner » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:14 pm
Salt and Wenger wrote:ChVïnt22 wrote:Leody wrote:Understand that, but like I said, he could have easily neutralized the situation without hitting her. She was essentially harmless.
This!
But I don't agree on the punishment he got for it. Essentially lost his career over this now. Which is wrong.
underestimating anyone is a big mistake. If a person approaches you with the intent to do damage preemptive strikes are justified, he neutralised the situation and didnt continue. Saying she is harmless just because she is a woman
is
1. Very stupid (plenty of men have been killed by women that they love)
2. untrue
even a scratch to the face, a slap, a flail to the face is more harm than he should have expected for not attacking her physically. One you try and attack a person and continue to attack them you shouldnt complain just because they can do it better than you. Under law you are allowed to neutralise the situation, he did that.
The same way under us law if someone is attacking you with their fists you are allowed to shoot them. You can say that the harm done by a gun is far more than the harm done by fists but why should a person be attacking someone who hasnt attacked them in the first place? If Ray rice's wife behaved like a civilised human being and not a savage then he wouldnt need to put her down like an animal.
by JordanTheGunner » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:23 pm
Salt and Wenger wrote:ChVïnt22 wrote:Leody wrote:Understand that, but like I said, he could have easily neutralized the situation without hitting her. She was essentially harmless.
This!
But I don't agree on the punishment he got for it. Essentially lost his career over this now. Which is wrong.
underestimating anyone is a big mistake. If a person approaches you with the intent to do damage preemptive strikes are justified, he neutralised the situation and didnt continue. Saying she is harmless just because she is a woman
is
1. Very stupid (plenty of men have been killed by women that they love)
2. untrue
even a scratch to the face, a slap, a flail to the face is more harm than he should have expected for not attacking her physically. One you try and attack a person and continue to attack them you shouldnt complain just because they can do it better than you. Under law you are allowed to neutralise the situation, he did that.
The same way under us law if someone is attacking you with their fists you are allowed to shoot them. You can say that the harm done by a gun is far more than the harm done by fists but why should a person be attacking someone who hasnt attacked them in the first place? If Ray rice's wife behaved like a civilised human being and not a savage then he wouldnt need to put her down like an animal.
by S&W the no1Fan » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:16 pm
ChVïnt22 wrote:Salt and Wenger wrote:ChVïnt22 wrote:Leody wrote:Understand that, but like I said, he could have easily neutralized the situation without hitting her. She was essentially harmless.
This!
But I don't agree on the punishment he got for it. Essentially lost his career over this now. Which is wrong.
underestimating anyone is a big mistake. If a person approaches you with the intent to do damage preemptive strikes are justified, he neutralised the situation and didnt continue. Saying she is harmless just because she is a woman
is
1. Very stupid (plenty of men have been killed by women that they love)
2. untrue
even a scratch to the face, a slap, a flail to the face is more harm than he should have expected for not attacking her physically. One you try and attack a person and continue to attack them you shouldnt complain just because they can do it better than you. Under law you are allowed to neutralise the situation, he did that.
The same way under us law if someone is attacking you with their fists you are allowed to shoot them. You can say that the harm done by a gun is far more than the harm done by fists but why should a person be attacking someone who hasnt attacked them in the first place? If Ray rice's wife behaved like a civilised human being and not a savage then he wouldnt need to put her down like an animal.
Agree to disagree. Most woman are physically inferior, which was the case for this. He knew that, she knew that, he didn't have to knock her out, he could have just grabbed her. Now if it was Ronda Rousey, then yes, by all means deck the bitch. But it wasn't and she was harmless. If a man can't take a few slaps from a woman, or a scratch to the face then he has bigger issues to deal with.
by StLGooner » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:43 pm
Salt and Wenger wrote:ChVïnt22 wrote:Salt and Wenger wrote:ChVïnt22 wrote:Leody wrote:Understand that, but like I said, he could have easily neutralized the situation without hitting her. She was essentially harmless.
This!
But I don't agree on the punishment he got for it. Essentially lost his career over this now. Which is wrong.
underestimating anyone is a big mistake. If a person approaches you with the intent to do damage preemptive strikes are justified, he neutralised the situation and didnt continue. Saying she is harmless just because she is a woman
is
1. Very stupid (plenty of men have been killed by women that they love)
2. untrue
even a scratch to the face, a slap, a flail to the face is more harm than he should have expected for not attacking her physically. One you try and attack a person and continue to attack them you shouldnt complain just because they can do it better than you. Under law you are allowed to neutralise the situation, he did that.
The same way under us law if someone is attacking you with their fists you are allowed to shoot them. You can say that the harm done by a gun is far more than the harm done by fists but why should a person be attacking someone who hasnt attacked them in the first place? If Ray rice's wife behaved like a civilised human being and not a savage then he wouldnt need to put her down like an animal.
Agree to disagree. Most woman are physically inferior, which was the case for this. He knew that, she knew that, he didn't have to knock her out, he could have just grabbed her. Now if it was Ronda Rousey, then yes, by all means deck the bitch. But it wasn't and she was harmless. If a man can't take a few slaps from a woman, or a scratch to the face then he has bigger issues to deal with.
so if a physically inferior man attacked you, you would try and restrain him? or grab him? Why should any person have to 'take a few slaps or scratches'?
are you even thinking about what you are saying? You want men to be submissive? you want them to be walked over? you want them to take free shots because they are men? It shows how twisted society is that someone can come out openly as say such a ridiculous thing. Men are not expendable, they are not pawns, they do not need to take anything that a woman do not. If i get stronger i dont expect people to come up to me and start punching me just because now i am strong or because i am able to take it better.
Thinking that taking slaps and scratches is proof that you are a man or that you are stronger is the most ridiculous thing ever.
by S&W the no1Fan » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:56 pm
ChVïnt22 wrote:Salt and Wenger wrote:ChVïnt22 wrote:Salt and Wenger wrote:ChVïnt22 wrote:Leody wrote:Understand that, but like I said, he could have easily neutralized the situation without hitting her. She was essentially harmless.
This!
But I don't agree on the punishment he got for it. Essentially lost his career over this now. Which is wrong.
underestimating anyone is a big mistake. If a person approaches you with the intent to do damage preemptive strikes are justified, he neutralised the situation and didnt continue. Saying she is harmless just because she is a woman
is
1. Very stupid (plenty of men have been killed by women that they love)
2. untrue
even a scratch to the face, a slap, a flail to the face is more harm than he should have expected for not attacking her physically. One you try and attack a person and continue to attack them you shouldnt complain just because they can do it better than you. Under law you are allowed to neutralise the situation, he did that.
The same way under us law if someone is attacking you with their fists you are allowed to shoot them. You can say that the harm done by a gun is far more than the harm done by fists but why should a person be attacking someone who hasnt attacked them in the first place? If Ray rice's wife behaved like a civilised human being and not a savage then he wouldnt need to put her down like an animal.
Agree to disagree. Most woman are physically inferior, which was the case for this. He knew that, she knew that, he didn't have to knock her out, he could have just grabbed her. Now if it was Ronda Rousey, then yes, by all means deck the bitch. But it wasn't and she was harmless. If a man can't take a few slaps from a woman, or a scratch to the face then he has bigger issues to deal with.
so if a physically inferior man attacked you, you would try and restrain him? or grab him? Why should any person have to 'take a few slaps or scratches'?
are you even thinking about what you are saying? You want men to be submissive? you want them to be walked over? you want them to take free shots because they are men? It shows how twisted society is that someone can come out openly as say such a ridiculous thing. Men are not expendable, they are not pawns, they do not need to take anything that a woman do not. If i get stronger i dont expect people to come up to me and start punching me just because now i am strong or because i am able to take it better.
Thinking that taking slaps and scratches is proof that you are a man or that you are stronger is the most ridiculous thing ever.
I don't think I said any of that, you're just assuming and making shit up now.
Most woman are physically inferior, which was the case for this. He knew that, she knew that, he didn't have to knock her out, he could have just grabbed her.
so if a physically inferior man attacked you, you would try and restrain him? or grab him? Why should any person have to 'take a few slaps or scratches'?
If a man can't take a few slaps from a woman, or a scratch to the face then he has bigger issues to deal with.
You want men to be submissive? you want them to be walked over? you want them to take free shots because they are men?
by StLGooner » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:58 pm
by Kyle? » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:09 pm
by S&W the no1Fan » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:16 pm
ChVïnt22 wrote:You are so off of everything it isn't even worth responding too. You make sooo many assumptions that are so way off base, it's like I'm talking to a 10 y/o. Wowzers!!
If a man can't take a few slaps from a woman, or a scratch to the face then he has bigger issues to deal with.
by Zenith » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:26 pm
by S&W the no1Fan » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:26 pm
Zenith wrote:S&W I thought this thread was about whether he did anything wrong or not? Both have; she appears to scratch him in the face a couple of times and as a response he knocks her our with full force.
You wandered off topic and started bringing up gender equality, which is a completely different discussion, an endless one too.
Would I have used more force when it was a physically inferior adult male who was the attacker? Of course I would have, especially considering it all happens in the heat of the moment where the instinct takes over, rather than rational thinking. Anyone who claims he acts as gently with a physically inferior male as with a female is either a hypocrite or simply hasn't been in that particular situation.
To come back on original topic; both where wrong, but he was even more so. On this case there is no right, it really is that simple.
Usually I don't participate in discussions like these, they always have the same predictable outcome and at the end of the day no one has learned anything because, quite frankly there isn't anything to learn.
by JordanTheGunner » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:03 am
Salt and Wenger wrote:Zenith wrote:S&W I thought this thread was about whether he did anything wrong or not? Both have; she appears to scratch him in the face a couple of times and as a response he knocks her our with full force.
You wandered off topic and started bringing up gender equality, which is a completely different discussion, an endless one too.
Would I have used more force when it was a physically inferior adult male who was the attacker? Of course I would have, especially considering it all happens in the heat of the moment where the instinct takes over, rather than rational thinking. Anyone who claims he acts as gently with a physically inferior male as with a female is either a hypocrite or simply hasn't been in that particular situation.
To come back on original topic; both where wrong, but he was even more so. On this case there is no right, it really is that simple.
Usually I don't participate in discussions like these, they always have the same predictable outcome and at the end of the day no one has learned anything because, quite frankly there isn't anything to learn.
Nice post i agree with most of it i acknowledge they were both wrong to an extent, really ray rice should have reported his fiance for assualt and seeing as there is video footage i hope action would have been taken. Unfortunately i doubt it would have because of the part gender roles play in society. As people have stated on this thread men are expected to take abuse.
Where i disagree with you is over your statement that they are he was more in the wrong. I think this conclusion contradicts the rest of your post and is probably influence by an outside factor/variable. Which is your belief in gender roles. If the law is used properly ray rice is the innocent person in this incident and the only thing he is guilty of is defending himself.
The only way i would understand why you think he is more so in the wrong would be if you would also believe that if you reacted aggressively to a physically inferior man you were in the wrong. Under those specifications then i cant really argue against what you said.