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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:21 am

Pudpop wrote:
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Pudpop wrote:Can't tell if you guys are trolling or not. Our legal system doesn't give life imprisonment for 1st degree murder, nor should it.


Why not? do the crime do the time, too many tree huggers in out legal system.

Our minimum sentence for murder is 15 years, but since OP is a first time offender + has been ruled to be unlikely to do it again 15 becomes a maximum. The 9 years taken off is due to mitigating factors, some of which even I disagree with. 10 years would have been better, maybe even 12.

Also, for whoever asked, this is a fresh sentence. He has to serve 6 years, but will probably be out on parole after 2.


"Our minimum sentence for murder is 15 years" .... except of course the word minimum is meaningless in a Country where corruption, fame, privilege can get you away with almost anything .... joke of a legal system ....
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Cripps » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:23 am

Depends on the women tbh.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:31 am

Pistorius gets all the breaks during sentencing....

Mitigating circumstances including his regret and remorse (incompatible with being found guilty of murder because by definition he has been lying for three years)

More credit for his vulnerability and basically the fact he's going to have a shit time in jail

Let's pretend for a minute that Oscar's phantom burglar had actually broken into his house and blown away a rich white woman. How much leniency do you reckon he'd have got? "Oh, I'm very sorry, I'm desperately poor, my dad got murdered when I was a kid, I ended up on drugs and that's how it all happened..... 30 years for that guy you can guarantee it.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:32 am

UFGN wrote:Pistorius gets all the breaks during sentencing....

Mitigating circumstances including his regret and remorse (incompatible with being found guilty of murder because by definition he has been lying for three years)

More credit for his vulnerability and basically the fact he's going to have a shit time in jail

Let's pretend for a minute that Oscar's phantom burglar had actually broken into his house and blown away a rich white woman. How much leniency do you reckon he'd have got? "Oh, I'm very sorry, I'm desperately poor, my dad got murdered when I was a kid, I ended up on drugs and that's how it all happened..... 30 years for that guy you can guarantee it.


I hardly think you can play that scenario out when the judge is black. Why do you think prosecutors tried to get him executed with that Murder with intent charge?
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Pudpop » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:21 am

EliteKiller wrote:
Pudpop wrote:
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Pudpop wrote:Can't tell if you guys are trolling or not. Our legal system doesn't give life imprisonment for 1st degree murder, nor should it.


Why not? do the crime do the time, too many tree huggers in out legal system.

Our minimum sentence for murder is 15 years, but since OP is a first time offender + has been ruled to be unlikely to do it again 15 becomes a maximum. The 9 years taken off is due to mitigating factors, some of which even I disagree with. 10 years would have been better, maybe even 12.

Also, for whoever asked, this is a fresh sentence. He has to serve 6 years, but will probably be out on parole after 2.


"Our minimum sentence for murder is 15 years" .... except of course the word minimum is meaningless in a Country where corruption, fame, privilege can get you away with almost anything .... joke of a legal system ....

Ok, I'll let you keep being an ignorant t**t then. I tried explaining the situation but you obviously have a preconceived notion of the South African legal system and everything about it, so I'll leave you be.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:43 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:Pistorius gets all the breaks during sentencing....

Mitigating circumstances including his regret and remorse (incompatible with being found guilty of murder because by definition he has been lying for three years)

More credit for his vulnerability and basically the fact he's going to have a shit time in jail

Let's pretend for a minute that Oscar's phantom burglar had actually broken into his house and blown away a rich white woman. How much leniency do you reckon he'd have got? "Oh, I'm very sorry, I'm desperately poor, my dad got murdered when I was a kid, I ended up on drugs and that's how it all happened..... 30 years for that guy you can guarantee it.


I hardly think you can play that scenario out when the judge is black. Why do you think prosecutors tried to get him executed with that Murder with intent charge?


Because it's their job.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Nuggets » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:23 pm

I hope he is made somebody's bitch and gets a good seeing to every night, bastard should be locked up for life.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Santi » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:13 pm

Nuggets wrote:I hope he is made somebody's bitch and gets a good seeing to every night, bastard should be locked up for life.


Imagine having this much angst for someone you've never met.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Callum » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:57 pm

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Nuggets wrote:I hope he is made somebody's bitch and gets a good seeing to every night, bastard should be locked up for life.


Imagine having this much angst for someone you've never met.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Nuggets » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:44 pm

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Nuggets wrote:I hope he is made somebody's bitch and gets a good seeing to every night, bastard should be locked up for life.


Imagine having this much angst for someone you've never met.

For what he done and got away with its easy, you obviously haven't had somebody close to you taken from you by a murdering bastard like him.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:27 pm

UFGN wrote:
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UFGN wrote:Pistorius gets all the breaks during sentencing....

Mitigating circumstances including his regret and remorse (incompatible with being found guilty of murder because by definition he has been lying for three years)

More credit for his vulnerability and basically the fact he's going to have a shit time in jail

Let's pretend for a minute that Oscar's phantom burglar had actually broken into his house and blown away a rich white woman. How much leniency do you reckon he'd have got? "Oh, I'm very sorry, I'm desperately poor, my dad got murdered when I was a kid, I ended up on drugs and that's how it all happened..... 30 years for that guy you can guarantee it.


I hardly think you can play that scenario out when the judge is black. Why do you think prosecutors tried to get him executed with that Murder with intent charge?


Because it's their job.


No, their job is to get a realistic conviction that sees justice done. What they charged him with, they had nowhere near the amount of evidence required for it. It's because they made such hash of it that Pistorious gets "the breaks", of which there were several reasonable mitigating factors.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:28 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:Pistorius gets all the breaks during sentencing....

Mitigating circumstances including his regret and remorse (incompatible with being found guilty of murder because by definition he has been lying for three years)

More credit for his vulnerability and basically the fact he's going to have a shit time in jail

Let's pretend for a minute that Oscar's phantom burglar had actually broken into his house and blown away a rich white woman. How much leniency do you reckon he'd have got? "Oh, I'm very sorry, I'm desperately poor, my dad got murdered when I was a kid, I ended up on drugs and that's how it all happened..... 30 years for that guy you can guarantee it.


I hardly think you can play that scenario out when the judge is black. Why do you think prosecutors tried to get him executed with that Murder with intent charge?


Because it's their job.


No, their job is to get a realistic conviction that sees justice done. What they charged him with, they had nowhere near the amount of evidence required for it. It's because they made such hash of it that Pistorious gets "the breaks", of which there were several reasonable mitigating factors.


I reckon you know about the same amount I do regarding South African laws and sentencing guidelines. Eg f**k all.

But I know a rich white boy getting soft sentence when I see one.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:35 pm

UFGN wrote:I know a rich white boy getting soft sentence when I see one.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:54 pm

UFGN wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:Pistorius gets all the breaks during sentencing....

Mitigating circumstances including his regret and remorse (incompatible with being found guilty of murder because by definition he has been lying for three years)

More credit for his vulnerability and basically the fact he's going to have a shit time in jail

Let's pretend for a minute that Oscar's phantom burglar had actually broken into his house and blown away a rich white woman. How much leniency do you reckon he'd have got? "Oh, I'm very sorry, I'm desperately poor, my dad got murdered when I was a kid, I ended up on drugs and that's how it all happened..... 30 years for that guy you can guarantee it.


I hardly think you can play that scenario out when the judge is black. Why do you think prosecutors tried to get him executed with that Murder with intent charge?


Because it's their job.


No, their job is to get a realistic conviction that sees justice done. What they charged him with, they had nowhere near the amount of evidence required for it. It's because they made such hash of it that Pistorious gets "the breaks", of which there were several reasonable mitigating factors.


I reckon you know about the same amount I do regarding South African laws and sentencing guidelines. Eg f**k all.

But I know a rich white boy getting soft sentence when I see one.


With a black judge and no jury in a country that is predominantly black and mostly on low incomes where there is no doubt a lingering distrust of white people owing to the legacy of apartheid? Any reason why they'd give "a rich white boy" a "soft sentence"? I can't think of a reason why there'd be an incentive to do that.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius - The Trial

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:55 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:Pistorius gets all the breaks during sentencing....

Mitigating circumstances including his regret and remorse (incompatible with being found guilty of murder because by definition he has been lying for three years)

More credit for his vulnerability and basically the fact he's going to have a shit time in jail

Let's pretend for a minute that Oscar's phantom burglar had actually broken into his house and blown away a rich white woman. How much leniency do you reckon he'd have got? "Oh, I'm very sorry, I'm desperately poor, my dad got murdered when I was a kid, I ended up on drugs and that's how it all happened..... 30 years for that guy you can guarantee it.


I hardly think you can play that scenario out when the judge is black. Why do you think prosecutors tried to get him executed with that Murder with intent charge?


Because it's their job.


No, their job is to get a realistic conviction that sees justice done. What they charged him with, they had nowhere near the amount of evidence required for it. It's because they made such hash of it that Pistorious gets "the breaks", of which there were several reasonable mitigating factors.


I reckon you know about the same amount I do regarding South African laws and sentencing guidelines. Eg f**k all.

But I know a rich white boy getting soft sentence when I see one.


With a black judge and no jury in a country that is predominantly black and mostly on low incomes where there is no doubt a lingering distrust of white people owing to the legacy of apartheid? Any reason why they'd give "a rich white boy" a "soft sentence"? I can't think of a reason why there'd be an incentive to do that.


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