GunnGunn wrote: Zedie wrote: GunnGunn wrote: Zedie wrote: Leody wrote:
Est83 wrote:I like the fact that we're self-sufficient. We're a rarity in the Prem, a bunch of f**king odd-balls just because we operate at a profit... any other league and we would be commended!!!
The debt/s is/are soon to be cleared, we can judge the board/manager after that. The shackles will be off!
They'll find another excuse to "shackle" themselves. The debt isn't as big a problem as they make it out to be. A couple of years ago they over paid on it by something around £100m, what if they had used a bit of that on improving the squad?
Without going into too much financial jargon, when you pay of debt early to save let's say 8% interest (made up number) you're saying to the world, I'm not able to find anything that I could do with this money to improve my business and get better than an 8% return. IMO, that's a very poor indication of the quality of business man that's running Arsenal.
It says to me that the company is risk averse and doesn't want to spunk all the reserves on 3-4 players at £20m each, leaving £40-20m for any eventualities. Yes they could easily spend more money, but That needs to be signed off by board, not wenger.
Gunn - Im actually surprised you don't want usmanov? He's a billionaire that's willing to give you what your asking for constantly and he won't give a shit about spending it? Or are you hoping that stab is going to change he's thought process overnight?
I really don't get how you can continue to blame wenger for not spending money when it not him that signs off?
Why would i want a Russian rapist using my club as a play thing? I agree with Gza that getting him in may force the boards hand, but i don't want a Chelsea situation where the owner overules the manager and brings in players HE wants to club.
And pray tell what is it i am exactly asking for?
Am i asking for Messi esc signings? No
Am i asking for us to spend £30-£40m on one player? No
Am i asking for the manager of this club to be more tactically open minded? Yes
Am i asking the manager of this club to strengthen areas which he has neglected for years? Yes
The club has money, lots of money, the last time i checked there was over £100m in the pot with about £55m directly available for transfers.
Are you telling me that AW is not allowed that to spend on the team? I don't think so, the reason why i continue to blame Wenger is because
A) We were told the debt was managed in such a way that it would not impact on our transfer budget - Lie
B) We were told that by moving to a Cereal bowl we would be able to compete with the worlds elite clubs - Lie
C) We have been told at least once a season that substantial funds are available for transfers - Lie
D) We are told at least once a season that we can afford world class players - Lie
E) We can compete with Chelsea - Lie
Those are just off the pitch matters, i can't stand being lied to, i would have preferred it from the off if the club had been honest, but they and Wenger continue to shovel this shit in our faces and then have the cheek to charge some of the highest ticket prices and season renewals in the world.
No, im asking you which 3-4 quality players you would sign to add that extra with a seperate wage budget of £230k and £60m to spend. Answers on a postcard please.
A) We were told the debt was managed in such a way that it would not impact on our transfer budget - Lie - we have basically spent the same amount of money per player as we traditionally have, we are not a club who go out and traditionally break British transfer fees - not much has changed imo
B) We were told that by moving to a Cereal bowl we would be able to compete with the worlds elite clubs - Lie - Not immediately, but yes, the revenue created from 60000 seats v 38000 seats in the long run, is going to be more. Its just not going to happen in 3-4 years which is quite frankly unrealistic.
C) We have been told at least once a season that substantial funds are available for transfers - Lie Spot on. We splashed big this season because we had a fire sale at the same time. Id agree that this whole 'we have a war chest speech is bollocks. We do, but not compared to the teams around us
D) We are told at least once a season that we can afford world class players - Lie - AWs definitions of world class seem to be different to the general football fan. They are random players when they come, they are world class players when they leave. Henry, Cesc, Vieira, Pires, Cole etc
E) We can compete with Chelsea - Lie - We cant compete financially. If you ask me if i think we can beat Chelsea in a football match home or away my answer would be yes. If you ask me if we can beat them league position next season, id say yes, if we apply ourselves so nothing has changed.
To conclude, our board dont think the way the average fan does and their plans dont happen in seasons they happen in decades. There will come a point when we are not in a situation that we have no debt and we can use whatever profit we make to do whatever we want, and it doesnt have to be a new stadium as we have one. We wont be in a position like the Manures, Shittys, Chelseas and Liverfools (nearly to deadly effect) were and are, because we are not relying on one mans decision as to whether or not he can be arsed to have a football club anymore. Not too long ago, Liverfool fans were looking at an abyss, and i for one dont want to end up like that.
We are a self sufficient business, like it or not and regardless if you want Stan to scrap sensible financial policies to spunk money (whether it be 20m or 50m per player!), this is how it will be while hes at the helm. Benitez, Martinez, Guardiola etc may come to the Emirates, but they will have to work by the same rules.
Answers on a post card?
Podolski - £11m - £80k a week
M'Vila - £17m - £70k a week
Kagawa - £7m - £60k a week
Suarez - £7m - £60k a week
Thats not even £50m and on 4 players that would strengthen the squad and starting 11 and more importantly give us more options tactically.
What people fail to realise is that there is little thing called infaltion, £7m 5-10 years years ago doesn't go as far as £7m today, as inflation increases especially with the likes of PSG, Anzhi and City running around you have to up your spend.
What you also seem to have glazed over is that in the past 7 seasons we have operated at a substanial profit in the transfer market, that is wrong, and clearly dictates that we are a selling club.
Lastly, World Class when they leave, when they LEAVE.
When you let World Class players leave, you have to replace that class otherwise as we have found out to our cost, your quality drops and leaves us in the situation we are in now, with absolutely zero chance of winning everything and no winning mentality.
World Class players don't just bring quality they bring match winning experience and this myth that World Class players cost the Earth is completely wrong.
Say for example we had never signed Park, would you have been happy replacing Van Persie with him? Because that is what Wenger does every season. As a club we have lost more World Class players than probably any other top team, when was the last time we actually bought a player who was a proven world class player?
You couldn't even describe Arshavin as World Class, he stood out in one tournament and was good for less than 6 months before proving himself an expensive flop.
We don't need several World Class players but we do need something, just one box office smash, a player who can just take the game by the balls and pull something out of the bag.
Podolski is not that player IMO but someone like Kagawa probably is, if he didn't have one year on his contract left he would be a £20m+ player.
Rosicky when he arrived was a bonified world class midfielder who would have commanded a £20m+ fee at a time when a handful of players went for that money, we took advantage of Dortmunds situation and we got him for £7m. Wenger used to be able to do that 2-3 times a window, not 2-3 times every 5 years.
I'm not arguing about this anymore, regardless of my opinion and regardless of whose fault it actually is that we are in this situation, the truth is, we are in a shit situation, we need players, our manager has proven that he can't cut it even at the most basic of managerial levels.
Take players out of the occasion completely and look at some of the on field decisions AW has made over the years, let alone the previous season, a better, more tactically astute manager would have gotten more out of these players. AW has been allowed far too much reign, he has openly admitted ignoring the advice of his closest aide's.
Van Persie is 100% responsible for us making the top 4, not Wenger, some of the decisions he made last season nearly had catastrophic effects.