WENGER SUGAR COATING AGAIN

[hollyone]

Season after season this man does the same thing over and over again. Buys one player that may but most probably will not cut it in the premier division. Even more analytical than this he, Poldolski, will find it difficult to understand Arsenal's way of playing. That is because Arsenal only try to win when they have to or when the weathers good and most of the players who are incredibly ordinary have not improved one bit in their game since there time at Arsenal. If we have good talent like Cole or Fabregas(who were at the right age) there is no denying that they have improved considerably since leaving Arsenal,. Nuff said about Fabrgas Cole is more rounded and plays with purpose rather than rushing along the edge of the opponents box to poorly cross balls in or more times than not smash the ball against a defender. Wenger obviously thinks this is good because he just gets other players in the same position on both flanks to do the same thing. What a waste of footballing energy.

It is no surprise that the team have climbed only to the point that they feel comfortable in being before going back into the old routine of playing bad football. The same old song - play just to get into the Champions League and that's it. So Podolski is not the answer. There is much groundwork to be done and Wenger is part of the problem. He cannot motivate his team week in week out like a manager should do who has been managing a team for as long as he has. Negative you maybe thinking. Not true. I think Arsenal have potential just with the players we have got but with the type of managerial ethos Wenger brings we will never know. Podolski will only, and most definitely paper over the cracks.

i have been saying this for quite a few years now, Wenger is no longer a good manager. He is unable to improve players and makes mistakes that should leave some kind of record or make in a football history book. Fabregas as we know loved Barcelona more than Arsenal. That is why on 2 occasions Wenger was prepared to play him in the champions league against Barca even though this player was 30% fit, or 70% useless. So with all the resource at Arsenal's disposal there was not a fit player that could have taken Fabs place IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. The point I am making is this, Wenger makes mistake many other good managers would not make particularly those that involve CL football. There was not tactical advantage in playing an invalid so one can only assume that this was an emotional decision that cost the team dearly. Think I am being hard? Lets talk about one f the worse defenders ever to play in an Arsenal shirt, Sanderous. Againthis player played in the Cl twice. When his name was read out against Liverpool in the cL fans everywhere put their hands over their eyes, shaking their heads. They knew what was going to occur and thir worse nightmare was realised. My memory does not serve me that well but Sandarous I am told had some king of nervous breakdown due to his incredibly bad performance and was loaned out to a team that only took him with a payment attached in the wrong way.

Every mistake reveals the true intent of the manager, the ability to avoid others is the stuff that Managers like Jose Mourihno, Ferguson or Guardiola are able to achieve. Yes they all make mistakes but in their overall assessment many are avoided and those they do make usually are replaced with a determination to win each game like it was the last. Wenger is most definitely second division as a manager. In fact I would not class him as one. He may say everybody has an opinion. But his reply does not remove the evidence or reduce the plethora of opinions jUst because they are aired in many ways.


So we have Podolski, so what. There is much foundational work to be done. And knowing AW a great businessman for replacing like for like players I would not be surprised if VP has already been sold behind closed doors so in reality, Arsenal making another backward step toward mediocrity.

Trophy winning is not the hall mark of a good team Bill Shankly once said in an interview. A good manager is the hallmark of a good team. I think I will leave it there.

When I shout out "Up the Arsenal" I mean don't stay where you are or go backwards. So I say "Up the Arsenal" and get rid of Wenger.

[Plymouth Gooner]

I agree with most of that.

[TRA Dial Square]

1: I stopped reading briefly at this point:

Season after season this man does the same thing over and over again. Buys one player that may but most probably will not cut it in the premier division. Even more analytical than this he, Poldolski, will find it difficult to understand Arsenal's way of playing.

Mainly because I feel you're using this as an excuse to dig at AW; a man I will state I agree has run his course at the club so don't assume I'm "Pro-Wenger"... It's just, almost everybody both at this end and the Bundesliga end have tipped Poldi to succeed [almost instantly] in the PL... That doesn't happen often if at all. As for understanding our way of playing... As much as they've been crap this season; Cologne's "way of playing" isn't that far detached from our own, whatsoever.

2: I gave your post a brief skim after that because we've had so many "Wenger out" type posts here it's unreal but got to this point right here:

So we have Podolski, so what. There is much foundational work to be done. And knowing AW a great businessman for replacing like for like players I would not be surprised if VP has already been sold behind closed doors so in reality, Arsenal making another backward step toward mediocrity.

Yet, just another personal dig at the Manager... And whilst I appreciate you've clearly waited until almost the end of the season to break this out, unlike some - You're failing to remember that the transfer window isn't even open yet. Since when has Arsenal prior to this season bought in such an established player and got the job done, before the window has opened? Even when the ticket renewals are happening?

And as for RvP... I highly disagree, when the same thing was going on with Nasri/Fabregas it was all but obvious but neither of them were still professing their love for the club, or clearly stating they would be meeting up with Gazidis/Wenger for contract talks. They were either keeping completely quiet or being extremely ambiguous about the entire thing.

As I've said a few times (and could be completely wrong) But Bouchra van Persie has made it quite clear how much she loves London, how good friends she has become with Arteta and Vermaelen's other halves to name two of the women; in the past season (or three), they hang out together all the time outside of the "WAG" scenario. Shaqueel is in School in London and has only recently been enrolled into a Football academy here; Dina-Layla is 3 in October and is in "Pre-School"; not really the best time to uproot IMO.

Family makes a man.

[Plymouth Gooner]

Today so far sums up what the op is talking about. We go a goal up and rather than kicking on we sit back and end up conceding.

[Fran Solo]

The OP has made an interesting posting just to ruin it by stating that Wenger is most definitely second division for a manager.

[hollyone]

For any of those that disagree it is obvious that Wenger is a poor manager. Ferguson knows it because he would not have any of the players in his team save for RvP and maybe one or two others. The weakest links in the team are too many and AW has had more than enough time to sort them out. Yes I am having a dig at Wenger because if he really loved Arsenal then he would leave as manager. The fact is he is deified and he should not be. People are use to his voice and they may not want change. He is a rock and is totally inflexible. How many bad players have we had who have not performed well for our team even to the point of total disinterest? Arshavin being the latest, the guy would just stand there watching the ball thinking about something entirely different not related to football. The crowd would cry when they see his name on the team sheet yet Wenger picks him like he knows something we don't know about. Its a team game so if you put rubbish on the pitch in leaves a chink in the armour. Wenger is without doubt not aware or concerned by any of this another reason why he is a spent force. A bad player is one thing but a bad player who is caught filing his nails on match day is unforgivable. If this was Alex Ferguson then you will know what comes next. If this was George Graham you would know what he would do also. However, virtually every two weeks there is one player or another getting booed or not even trying at all to show love for Arsenal. Sorry I do not blame the players I blame Wenger.

Wenger has the resource, he has the team he wished for, he has his big football ground with the incredibly high entrance fees and yet I watch players put in a performance that a good manager would rectify immediately or make changes to avoid a repeat. Changes Wenger cannot make because you will notice that we do not have a mature team squad so there is no chance of that. Whatever happened to this youth policy that was to save Arsenal? This was forgotten and like a memory hole the newspapers have airbrushed the this time consuming project out of existence.

I know some supporters are like my Mothers photo catalogue, they throw out the facts and memories they don't want to know about to achieve the understanding they like to have. They will remember the high points only and use those experiences until you start to hear stuff like "as long as we finish above Spurs"

I want a team that tries damn hard to play good football well and not leave fans financially poorer with indifferent players taking their hard earn't money. I think Wigan played some pretty dreadful football and refunded their supporters as a way of saying sorry. Maybe Wenger should put some money into a kitty box for every outrageous mistake he makes. I think then ticket prices may be reduced by at least half the amount. Either that or we would see a shiny new Arsenal team committed, consistent and willing to match the expectations of the fans who pay big money each week.

[EvAMY-CRAIGLEEAFC]

As everyone knows i worship AW. But i am wondering where we are going ? i must admit.

[ChVint22]

Today so far sums up what the op is talking about. We go a goal up and rather than kicking on we sit back and end up conceding.

I don't think we sit so much as we're just shit at team defense and not that good overall in general.

[Plymouth Gooner]

Today so far sums up what the op is talking about. We go a goal up and rather than kicking on we sit back and end up conceding.

I don't think we sit so much as we're just shit at team defense and not that good overall in general.

What we do is we go for possession to hold on to the lead, then give it away and concede. I haven't seen any of todays game but so many times we've gone a goal up and then tried to play keep ball on the half way line only to lose possession and concede. We should just keep on attacking and save the posssession stuff until we are three goals up!

[VCC]

As everyone knows i worship AW. But i am wondering where we are going ? i must admit.

we are going to the carpark to kick water bottles with the Gaf AW LOL,he is done has been for at least 3 years

[Inchpractice]

Stopped reading after the bit about Podolski.

You're writing off a player who hasn't even pulled on the shirt for us yet??
He's never kicked a ball in the Prem and yet you're certain he won't adapt.



I don't know where you find the motivation to get out of bed in the morning.

[Plymouth Gooner]

Yesterday showed that Wenger has not done anything to address our issues.

*We scored a goal and then switched off until we conceded.

*We struggled to handle a big target man.

*We couldn't hold onto a lead.

*When the pressure is on at the business end of the season we drop points.

*We still have squad players who are regular starters and the team needs to carry (Rambo).

All of these have been issues for a long time and our manager ignores them and carries on doing what he always has - burrying his head in the sand!

[Est83]

Agree with TRA and Inch.

I don't for one minute believe that Wenger has completely changed his ways - although he did bring in older more experienced heads last summer, and hardly played the one youngster that he did shed out a shit-load for - but I do believe that the timing of the Podolski signing has something to do with keeping RvP... so to some extent I believe that Wenger has learnt a lesson.

Podolski not cutting?

Cole and Fabregas improved considerably? Fabregas has been gone for all of five minutes and is playing as an SS for a team that should be putting double figures past teams that aren't half as good in a joke of a league... how have you come to this conclusion? Cole was the best LB in the world when he was with us, and is still the best LB in the world now... only he had 2/3 very average seasons with Chelski before getting back to his best (we enjoyed those 2/3 seasons as Clichy was the f**king daddy during that time). You're also completely ignoring the fact that they were young when they left us, years from their peak they're bound to improve... even Denilson will improve after leaving us.

I don't know who Sanderous is, but we used to have a pretty decent young CB called Senderos, who along with Touré, helped Arsenal achieve a little record (that's still held today) for the most consecutive number of clean sheets in the Champions League. Senderos was a very decent CB, but you don't fit your style around a player (unless he's Zidane or of equal stature... i.e. Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Fabregas), you find the players to suit your formation and style. Wenger likes a high defensive line, and msot of us fooking hate it!!!!!!!!!!! But that's part of the style he adopts, we have to accept it and hope that he gets the right players to make the system work. Senderous doesn't fit the mould, but Vermaelen and Koscielny do. A full campaign with these two at the back and we will see an improvement... although we'll still be the hung ho "you score four and we'll score five" types.



Wenger's made plenty of mistakes, I don't think you've touched on any of them though.

[hollyone]

Agree with TRA and Inch.

I don't for one minute believe that Wenger has completely changed his ways - although he did bring in older more experienced heads last summer, and hardly played the one youngster that he did shed out a shit-load for - but I do believe that the timing of the Podolski signing has something to do with keeping RvP... so to some extent I believe that Wenger has learnt a lesson.

Podolski not cutting?

Cole and Fabregas improved considerably? Fabregas has been gone for all of five minutes and is playing as an SS for a team that should be putting double figures past teams that aren't half as good in a joke of a league... how have you come to this conclusion? Cole was the best LB in the world when he was with us, and is still the best LB in the world now... only he had 2/3 very average seasons with Chelski before getting back to his best (we enjoyed those 2/3 seasons as Clichy was the f**king daddy during that time). You're also completely ignoring the fact that they were young when they left us, years from their peak they're bound to improve... even Denilson will improve after leaving us.

I don't know who Sanderous is, but we used to have a pretty decent young CB called Senderos, who along with Touré, helped Arsenal achieve a little record (that's still held today) for the most consecutive number of clean sheets in the Champions League. Senderos was a very decent CB, but you don't fit your style around a player (unless he's Zidane or of equal stature... i.e. Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Fabregas), you find the players to suit your formation and style. Wenger likes a high defensive line, and msot of us fooking hate it!!!!!!!!!!! But that's part of the style he adopts, we have to accept it and hope that he gets the right players to make the system work. Senderous doesn't fit the mould, but Vermaelen and Koscielny do. A full campaign with these two at the back and we will see an improvement... although we'll still be the hung ho "you score four and we'll score five" types.



Wenger's made plenty of mistakes, I don't think you've touched on any of them though.

[hollyone]

Agree with TRA and Inch.

I don't for one minute believe that Wenger has completely changed his ways - although he did bring in older more experienced heads last summer, and hardly played the one youngster that he did shed out a shit-load for - but I do believe that the timing of the Podolski signing has something to do with keeping RvP... so to some extent I believe that Wenger has learnt a lesson.

Podolski not cutting?

Cole and Fabregas improved considerably? Fabregas has been gone for all of five minutes and is playing as an SS for a team that should be putting double figures past teams that aren't half as good in a joke of a league... how have you come to this conclusion? Cole was the best LB in the world when he was with us, and is still the best LB in the world now... only he had 2/3 very average seasons with Chelski before getting back to his best (we enjoyed those 2/3 seasons as Clichy was the f**king daddy during that time).
Lets not fool ourselves Cliche was not a good player at Arsenal. This player was technically poor, found wanting at critical points of a game and at times seem to prefer rugby to football as he would lunge at the football or opposing player eating dirt as a result. Cliche was not a good player and there is nothing to support this except an emotional understanding. Cole was one of those players that became functional at Arsenal, he'd run down the wing and cross the ball in usually insignificantly. Wenger has clout and for some reason he can let peoples imagination believe we have players that are great when they are really rough diamonds that can be great given the correct guidance. The fact of the matter is that Wenger mixes rubbish with potential with excellence. According to your understanding was part of some sort of record should be the mainstay of Barcelona as he is now mature and has aged.Things do not work this way. Coel and Cliche are in more expensive teams and far more solid than our team. This means we have to cut out bad management which will lead to average players playing like a great team because money is a quick fix route to success. Wenger has had to long to scale the heights and is looking downwards instead.


You're also completely ignoring the fact that they were young when they left us, years from their peak they're bound to improve... even Denilson will improve after leaving us.

I don't know who Sanderous is, but we used to have a pretty decent young CB called Senderos, who along with Touré, helped Arsenal achieve a little record (that's still held today) for the most consecutive number of clean sheets in the Champions League. Senderos was a very decent CB, but you don't fit your style around a player (unless he's Zidane or of equal stature... i.e. Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Fabregas), you find the players to suit your formation and style. Wenger likes a high defensive line, and msot of us fooking hate it!!!!!!!!!!! But that's part of the style he adopts, we have to accept it and hope that he gets the right players to make the system work. Senderous doesn't fit the mould, but Vermaelen and Koscielny do. A full campaign with these two at the back and we will see an improvement... although we'll still be the hung ho "you score four and we'll score five" types.



Wenger's made plenty of mistakes, I don't think you've touched on any of them though.

OK it seems the hard hitting approach is required.

Wenger is not a good manager and at this point I am uncertain why I need to see this.

a- poor signings
b- technically deficient
c- stubborn
d- inflexible - no plan B , unable to improve players by cutting out their habitual mistakes
e- does not understand the team factor of the game. - Plays players that play when they want to, sually perfoming functional football rather than remedial. As a result the opposition may have strong and weak points. Wenger will not prepare accordingly so effectively will piss against the wind in some places and in others make an easy job difficult.
f- too financially involved in team leading to dropped points and fatigue players
g- strange management - Fabregas played in to two champions league games, 30% fit against Barcelona. No manager in the history of Arsenal would have played a player who was close on being an invalid. Fabregas had something to prove and Wenger allowed him to do so. The rest is history. I use this example to show how smaller examples can be easily overlooked but do and have cost us points and most probably trophies. This is not knick picking. The Bil Shankly's, Bob Paisly's,, Ferguson and many others have this important factor written into their DNA. Do not get sentimental and do not allow one player to represent the team. As great as Massi is you see a great team and a 30% Massi will not play instead of another fully fit player, Indeed, Barcelona have a successful youth policy which can be called upon to fit into the Barca mould. Wenger has spent much time and money on our youth team. They have all been shipped out and all these once soon to be stars are either playing non league football or loaned out. Much time wasted on this project and you forget it was what we were all waiting for but soon forget about. It was forgotten about because we were being dazzled with even more excuses and bad short term policies.
h- Does not talk to the players to impart greater wisdom. Players like Theo Walcott seems to be getting worse. When it is obvious a player is not performing and we drop points Wenger does not see this. He refuses to deal with a problem at once. He allows for our players to be booed by our own supporters and does nothing to deal with the problem. The next game the player is their again playing just as bad football as the week before. Song makes lovely passes but equally loses the ball cheaply , is out of position regularly and considering his position is not very good in tackling players so gives cheap free kicks away and they lead to cheap goals. This is virtually every game but Wenger is a big fan of letting things be.

Wenger, has not got Viera Petite, Henri, Winterburn or even or Fabregas to hide behind now. He has been given a golden opportunity to build a great team but instead there is confusion instead. finally, he does not know what he is doing. He rolls a dice and people shout out wow that was brilliant. I would like to say he has qualities but I cannot. He is unable to sign good players and build them into brilliant players (please don not dwell on the past to prove me wrong).
He cannot motivate his team each week, every week. He has lost his humility and is not passionate enough. It is no coincidence the team play football and float from the bottom of the table to position 3 just to get into the CL. When we are there we are too big for the domestic competitions. and consequently win absolutely nothing.


Maybe this is why we have had the success. We had players that were big in character and played as a team. Wenger got the credit but now they are gone we have only Wenger and dreams and remember this and that. We are 3rd but we should be challenging 1st place United/City. I am convinced of that. Wenger is 100% the problem and until he goes we will not see what our players can really achieve. We are 3rd without even trying so this is a good omen. Get rid of Wenger and his awful habits and we may achieve that level we feel is there but never stays there long enough to bring the belief to the players or the fans.