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Re: The Wish List-

Postby Leody » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:52 am

Plymouth Gooner wrote: Forget who deserves a starting spot, whose development it might effect, who shouldn't be dropped, this would be a squad, there wouldn't be a BEST XI.


Wouldn't that be nice.

I don't want to be a development club anymore. You think United and City worry about their teenagers getting enough first team games to develop?
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby Massa » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:10 am

Arteta and Wilshere are miles ahead of M'Vila lol
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby Arsenal~Fanatic » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:16 am

Plymouth Gooner wrote:A squad capable of competing on all four fronts, a squad capable of competing with the likes of Barca and Real, a squad where nobody is guaranteed a starting place. I put players in positions for the sake of showing how strong the squad would be but none of the players bar the keeper and Van Persie would be guaranteed ther place. Forget who deserves a starting spot, whose development it might effect, who shouldn't be dropped, this would be a squad, there wouldn't be a BEST XI. There are so many combinations of starting XIs that the team would change every week.

Szczesny
Fabianski
Sagna--Koscielny--Vermaelen--Gibbs
(Koscielny)--Mertesacker--VERTONGHEN--Santos
Song--M'VILA
(Wilshere)--Arteta
PRINCE-BOETANG
(Wilshere)/Chamberlain
Wilshere------------------PODOLSKI
Walcott-----------------------Gervinho
Van Persie
(Podolski)


Squad players: (all but Park would be given the option of going out on loan):
Jenkinson, Bartley, Miquel, Coquelin, Frimpong, Ramsey, Lansbury, Miyaichi, Park

None of the CBs would be guaranteed a starting place and they'd be rotated. The same goes for Gibbs and Santos. If Sagna was unavailable then Koscielny would be used as cover. Against lesser teams we don't need to DMs so either Arteta or Wilshere would come in. I put Wilshere on the right, a position he has regularly played in the youth team and reserves, because he is simply a better player than Walcott and Gervinho IMO. In reality he'd rotate with the midfield taking the DM spot against lesser teams or take Boetang's place with Chamberlain, Walcott or Gervinho playing on the right. Up front, I'd use Podolski to cover RVP as we'd have plenty of cover on the wings.

The best bit for me would be having such a physical midfield again, we'd be back to the Petit/Vieira days!!!


Even Real Madrid and Barcelona do not chop and change their core unless there are injuries, form issues or when the players need to be rested. Its nice to rotate the first eleven once in a while to keep the players fresh but chopping and changing unnecessarily for the heck off it will be prove to be detrimental. The core of your team should not change as long as they are fit and fresh. Healthy competition for spots is fine but if there is too much chopping and changing, nervousness wil creep in to the players which may not allow them to perform to the best of their ability. There is a rumor that Fabianski will leave on loan next season so we need to resolve our GK situation too. now coming to the individual issues

1] GK situation still far from being resolved. Szczesny hasn't done enough this season to make the No 1 shirt his won this season. Rumor is that Fabianski will leave on loan, Almunia will leave. Wenger needs to sort it out asap.

2] Wilshere is not a WF ffs. He is a CM/AM . Playing him on the flanks is a royal waste of his talent plus we will not be able to get the best out of him.

3] LB situation too looks dicey with Santos is an utter liability while defending, lazy as hell to track back. We need an out and out LB like Baines imo.

4] RB situation, no back-up to sagna but i am not too fussed as we have players who can cover him. Jenkinson should be sent on loan or be made third choice.

5] We need a CAM , i am not too sure of Boateng and its highly unlikely he would be here anyways. The source of the rumor is too dodgy.

6] M'vila would be great to have but should come along with and not instead of a CAM. Our first priority should be to get a quality CAM.

7] Vertonghen i am not sure,, if we need him cos he is mainly a CB who can play LB. i woul have loved to have him if it was the other way around. We have Djourou who has had an extension and he is competent as a 4th choice CB.
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby yosifun » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:30 am

Some thoughts @PG:
1) Very unlikely we'll get another CB as long as we have Mert, I can see a new CB replacing him but not a big chance too.
2) Wilshere is a CM and should start next to Song with Arteta covering him. M'Vila would be great to cover Song and at times playing along side him.
3) Rosicky is our AM for now till we bring someone new to push him to the bench, unless we believe Ramsey can improve massively..
4) Happy with Walcott/Ox on the right, Gerv for left but I'm not sure if Podolski should start on the left or cover for RvP cause we lack strikers.

Aside from that good analysis.

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Re: The Wish List-

Postby Plymouth Gooner » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:38 am

Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:
Plymouth Gooner wrote:A squad capable of competing on all four fronts, a squad capable of competing with the likes of Barca and Real, a squad where nobody is guaranteed a starting place. I put players in positions for the sake of showing how strong the squad would be but none of the players bar the keeper and Van Persie would be guaranteed ther place. Forget who deserves a starting spot, whose development it might effect, who shouldn't be dropped, this would be a squad, there wouldn't be a BEST XI. There are so many combinations of starting XIs that the team would change every week.

Szczesny
Fabianski
Sagna--Koscielny--Vermaelen--Gibbs
(Koscielny)--Mertesacker--VERTONGHEN--Santos
Song--M'VILA
(Wilshere)--Arteta
PRINCE-BOETANG
(Wilshere)/Chamberlain
Wilshere------------------PODOLSKI
Walcott-----------------------Gervinho
Van Persie
(Podolski)


Squad players: (all but Park would be given the option of going out on loan):
Jenkinson, Bartley, Miquel, Coquelin, Frimpong, Ramsey, Lansbury, Miyaichi, Park

None of the CBs would be guaranteed a starting place and they'd be rotated. The same goes for Gibbs and Santos. If Sagna was unavailable then Koscielny would be used as cover. Against lesser teams we don't need to DMs so either Arteta or Wilshere would come in. I put Wilshere on the right, a position he has regularly played in the youth team and reserves, because he is simply a better player than Walcott and Gervinho IMO. In reality he'd rotate with the midfield taking the DM spot against lesser teams or take Boetang's place with Chamberlain, Walcott or Gervinho playing on the right. Up front, I'd use Podolski to cover RVP as we'd have plenty of cover on the wings.

The best bit for me would be having such a physical midfield again, we'd be back to the Petit/Vieira days!!!


Even Real Madrid and Barcelona do not chop and change their core unless there are injuries, form issues or when the players need to be rested. Its nice to rotate the first eleven once in a while to keep the players fresh but chopping and changing unnecessarily for the heck off it will be prove to be detrimental. The core of your team should not change as long as they are fit and fresh. Healthy competition for spots is fine but if there is too much chopping and changing, nervousness wil creep in to the players which may not allow them to perform to the best of their ability. There is a rumor that Fabianski will leave on loan next season so we need to resolve our GK situation too. now coming to the individual issues

1] GK situation still far from being resolved. Szczesny hasn't done enough this season to make the No 1 shirt his won this season. Rumor is that Fabianski will leave on loan, Almunia will leave. Wenger needs to sort it out asap.

2] Wilshere is not a WF ffs. He is a CM/AM . Playing him on the flanks is a royal waste of his talent plus we will not be able to get the best out of him.

3] LB situation too looks dicey with Santos is an utter liability while defending, lazy as hell to track back. We need an out and out LB like Baines imo.

4] RB situation, no back-up to sagna but i am not too fussed as we have players who can cover him. Jenkinson should be sent on loan or be made third choice.

5] We need a CAM , i am not too sure of Boateng and its highly unlikely he would be here anyways. The source of the rumor is too dodgy.

6] M'vila would be great to have but should come along with and not instead of a CAM. Our first priority should be to get a quality CAM.

7] Vertonghen i am not sure,, if we need him cos he is mainly a CB who can play LB. i woul have loved to have him if it was the other way around. We have Djourou who has had an extension and he is competent as a 4th choice CB.



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Plymouth Gooner wrote:I put Wilshere on the right, a position he has regularly played in the youth team and reserves, because he is simply a better player than Walcott and Gervinho IMO. In reality he'd rotate with the midfield taking the DM spot against lesser teams or take Boetang's place with Chamberlain, Walcott or Gervinho playing on the right.


3 Rotate the LBs depending on who we are playing, including Vertonghen

4 Koscielny was excellent at RB and if we had 4 top quality CBs we wouldn't miss him at CB so much

5 Likely or not this is the wish list. Gotze is about as likely as Messi and people keep posting him!

6 My team includes both, whats your point?

7 Mertesacker is coming back from a big injury, Vertonghen and Koscielny could cover the full back positions. They'd all get a chance if we are competing on all four fronts!
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Fabianski
Sagna--Mertesacker--Koscielny--Gibbs
Jenkinson--Samba--K.Toure--Monreal
Fellaini--Wilshere
Ramsey--Arteta
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Rosicky
Walcott---------------Podolski
Chamberlain-------------Gervinho
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby Plymouth Gooner » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:41 am

yosifun wrote:Some thoughts @PG:
1) Very unlikely we'll get another CB as long as we have Mert, I can see a new CB replacing him but not a big chance too.
2) Wilshere is a CM and should start next to Song with Arteta covering him. M'Vila would be great to cover Song and at times playing along side him.
3) Rosicky is our AM for now till we bring someone new to push him to the bench, unless we believe Ramsey can improve massively..
4) Happy with Walcott/Ox on the right, Gerv for left but I'm not sure if Podolski should start on the left or cover for RvP cause we lack strikers.

Aside from that good analysis.

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1 Unlikely or not this is the wishlist thread, see my comment on Gotze and Messi above
2 It would be all about rotation in midfield depending on who we are playing
3 Ramsey would be no more than a squad player. I'm not sure about Rosicky, to be honest I'd forgot about him so fair comment.
4 Podolski should start, so put him on the left and then if RVP is out stick him up front. The other option is 4-4-2!

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Jenkinson--Samba--K.Toure--Monreal
Fellaini--Wilshere
Ramsey--Arteta
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Rosicky
Walcott---------------Podolski
Chamberlain-------------Gervinho
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby Arsenal~Fanatic » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:43 am

^^^ @ PG 6] I agree with you but stressed it in bold that CAM ahead of DM :)
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The Wish List-

Postby Plymouth Gooner » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:51 am

Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:^^^ @ PG 6] I agree with you but stressed it in bold that CAM ahead of DM :)


Ok :cheers:
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Fabianski
Sagna--Mertesacker--Koscielny--Gibbs
Jenkinson--Samba--K.Toure--Monreal
Fellaini--Wilshere
Ramsey--Arteta
Cazorla
Rosicky
Walcott---------------Podolski
Chamberlain-------------Gervinho
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby yosifun » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:20 am

Szczesny
(Fabianski)
Sagna---Koscielny---Vermaelen---Gibbs
(Jenkinson)---(Mertesacker)---(Djourou/Bartley)---(Santos)
Song---Wilshere
(M'Vila/Coquelin)---(Arteta/Ramsey)
NEW AM
(Rosicky)
Oxlade---v.Persie---Podolski
(Walcott)---(Giroud/???)---(Gervinho)


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Re: The Wish List-

Postby mg86 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:10 pm

If anything, this Wigan game shows we can no longer allow Song and our CB's to bomb forward. We need some steel in midfield in the likes of M'Vila if Song is going to do that and we need Vertonghen instead of Djourou as an option off the bench. Don't even get me started on Santos, how we go from Clichy -> Gibbs -> Santos when we were already shakey there is beyond me...
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Ramsey Arteta
Walcott Wilshere Cazorla
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby pet » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:42 pm

yosifun wrote:
Szczesny
(Fabianski)
Sagna---Koscielny---Vermaelen---Gibbs
(Jenkinson)---(Mertesacker)---(Djourou/Bartley)---(Santos)
Song---Wilshere
(M'Vila/Coquelin)---(Arteta/Ramsey)
NEW AM
(Rosicky)
Oxlade---v.Persie---Podolski
(Walcott)---(Giroud/???)---(Gervinho)


I pretty much agree with this and it seems pretty realistic. I'd add a few signings that probably won't happen:

A reliable left back ... Baines
While Santos is a likable player, he is a defensive liability, and Gibbs hasn't proven he's over his injuries and because of them is still too inexperienced to be relied as a starter. I wouldn't want to sell Santos or give up on Gibbs, but we need to be solid here.

A solid fourth choice CB... Vertonghen
I don't think Djourou is really up to it, and is Bartley ready? Vertonghen might be too expensive for fourth choice, really we just need someone better than Djourou.

An experienced reserve keeper ... Sorenson or Jaaskelainen
How could it hurt? Szczesny is still young and prone to mistakes, I'd feel a lot better if we had someone proven behind him.
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby SammyGunner11 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:43 pm

I agree with PG. If we want to win something next season, then give Wenger a selection headache. If the Wigan, Milan, and QPR games are anything to go by, then what we have is not good enough and we'll be battling for fourth yet again next season. No player is larger than the team and every player should fight for their spot in the team (even RVP). With that said, I believe this squad is capable of winning something next season:

Formation: 4-1-2-3
GK: Szczesny vs. Howard vs. Fabianski
RB: Sagna vs. Corchia vs. Jenkinson
CB: Vermaelen vs. Koscielny vs. Mertesacker vs. Vertonghen vs. Djourou
LB: Baines vs. Gibbs vs. Santos
DM: M'Vila vs. Coquelin vs. Frimpong
CM: Song vs. Arteta vs. Ramsey
AM: Wilshere vs. Kagagwa vs. Rosicky vs. Lansbury vs. Diaby
RW: Chamberlain vs. Walcott vs. Campbell
LW: Podolski vs. Gervinho vs. Yossi vs. Ryo
ST: RVP vs. Giroud vs. Afobe vs. Park

WIIIIINNNNNIIIIINNNGG :arsenal3: !!!
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(Szczanski)
(Mannone)
Sagna Koscielny Vermaelen ?
(Jenkinson Mert ? Gibbs)
(Bellerin Djourou Miquel ?)
? Cazorla Wilshere
(Coquelin Rosicky Arteta)
(Frimpong Eisfeld Diamsey)
? ? Podolski
(Walcott Giroud Gervinho)
(Gnablade ? Ryo)


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Re: The Wish List-

Postby friedslice » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:47 am

that good little run of form we had going certainly shouldn't be papering over the cracks we've had all season like it started to do for a lot of people. we've been a poor side all season, we're good enough for a fight for 4th, and we've shown that, but that's unacceptable. 10 defeats is a disgrace and it's been the same weaknesses and same performances throughout the season, the same culprits, the same mistakes and the same problems. they all need to be addressed in the summer, that includes clearing deadwood which constantly costs us when they play, bringing in the added quality we need to break sides down and working intensely on our defensive organisation and set pieces (which i doubt we'll do, wenger's allowed the defence to get progressively worse for 6 years).

Mass clearout and new faces please.
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby Leody » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:35 am

SammyGunner11 wrote:GK: Szczesny vs. Howard vs. Fabianski !


3 things...

1) Not a chance Howard is going to come here unless he's #1, he's in the prime of his career and the US National Team keeper. He's not going to risk that.

2) He's clearly better than Szczesny, and would be #1 if he came.

3) He's not going to come to Arsenal.
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Re: The Wish List-

Postby S4cePL » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:57 am

Is it just me or do I see Santos more and more as a LM seeing as how he likes to show off his Samba skills instead of defending like he should be... I hate panic buys and me thinks that we should go for a better LB this summer.
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