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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby She_Gunner_Wales » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:08 pm

mikey_gooner wrote:SE13 is right and was from the hooligan element that followed The Arsenal back in the 70's.
Story goes that the yids called us the goons and we evolved it into Gooners .


This is where ive always believed the term to originate from.
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But i do recall there being some naff stories/beliefs floating about that it derived from some swedish Arsenal fans, something to do with pronounciation.

Is this one of the 4 stories you have heard Niel?
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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby mikey_gooner » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:00 pm

have a look at The Riders of the night myspace site and check the songs out , the original gooner .....
http://www.myspace.com/theridersofthenight
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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby goonerniel » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:45 am

She_Gunner_Wales wrote:
mikey_gooner wrote:SE13 is right and was from the hooligan element that followed The Arsenal back in the 70's.
Story goes that the yids called us the goons and we evolved it into Gooners .


This is where ive always believed the term to originate from.
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But i do recall there being some naff stories/beliefs floating about that it derived from some swedish Arsenal fans, something to do with pronounciation.

Is this one of the 4 stories you have heard Niel?

Yep that was one of the stories and i think the most unbeleivable of the lot.
Saying that though i have sat around some scandanavians at the emirates recently and listening to them chanting i think i can understand why someone would come up with a story like that :wacky:
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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby SE13 » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:57 pm

goonerniel wrote:
She_Gunner_Wales wrote:
mikey_gooner wrote:SE13 is right and was from the hooligan element that followed The Arsenal back in the 70's.
Story goes that the yids called us the goons and we evolved it into Gooners .


This is where ive always believed the term to originate from.
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But i do recall there being some naff stories/beliefs floating about that it derived from some swedish Arsenal fans, something to do with pronounciation.

Is this one of the 4 stories you have heard Niel?

Yep that was one of the stories and i think the most unbeleivable of the lot.
Saying that though i have sat around some scandanavians at the emirates recently and listening to them chanting i think i can understand why someone would come up with a story like that :wacky:


We did have a very active firm in the 70's and 80's, and in fact it's still there, albeit on a lesser degree. However talk of firms isn't really wise. Activities are stricly hush-hush, and people (for obvious reasons) don't want their identities springing.

The one thing about our Firm, is that activities were kept quiet, without the need to run to the media and make films and documentries out of it, and despite several offers of quite large amounts of cash to do so, the top lads have always refused, and always will do.

However, several battle cries have never been kept a secret, nor have the prompts to charge. I won't publish any details here though..... It's certainly not the right place for that sort of discussion!
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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby mikey_gooner » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:12 pm

I agree with what your saying mate . As we both know a fair bit about certain activities from the past :ziplip: but it is relevant when the question arises where does the word gooners come from :whistle:
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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby Libertine » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:07 pm

goonerniel wrote:Anyone have any knowledge on this as it caught my interest and i think it would be good for us to know where we get our collective name from :rolleyes:


I refer you to my answer in the previous thread on this subject...... :whistle:
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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby Eltzadizzle » Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:56 am

Always thought it was a simple derivation from our "Gunners" nickname (coming from the history of our location at the Woolwich Arsenal), combined with the term used our hooligans (Goons) :arse fan:
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Re: Why are we the gooners

Postby Jimmy Clarke » Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:22 pm

That's the club take on the nickname from what I've studied. They were called The Gunners because the original club was an armory, and gooners is a derivative of Gunners, cockney or something. Like Newcastle people saying their town is a toon.
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Re: Why are we called Gooners

Postby Libertine » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:06 pm

Libertine wrote:
goonerniel wrote:Anyone have any knowledge on this as it caught my interest and i think it would be good for us to know where we get our collective name from :rolleyes:


I refer you to my answer in the previous thread on this subject...... :whistle:



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i'm nor typing it all out again. :P
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Postby Libertine » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:08 pm

Libertine wrote:
SE13 wrote:If there is to be any discussion about Firms, please don't add names.


Good man.

As for the origin of Gooner....
I've heard two stories that make sense.

1) the yids called us Goons and we adopted it (as they did with yids) as our name.

2) a little firm of ours who used to drink in the Holloway, next to Holloway Rd Tube (called something else now) used to call themselves the Goon Squad after a lyric in a David Bowie record.

Now i know one of the lads from that Holloway firm very well, and he says #2 is gospel.

But equally, i'm good mates with the 'bloke who used to run the coaches' and he got up on stage at a 4b2's gig (John Lydon's brothers band) and said "the yids call us goons, so we'll call ourselves Gooners"

Neither of them would bother telling porkies. so i guess it's a case of take your pick.



There we go...... :arse flag.gif:
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Re: Why are we the gooners

Postby djaxster » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:03 pm

I dont really read alot of hooligan books as they all seem to be the same wether its a london firm or northern. But one i have read is Cass's book on short stories about all the clubs the ICF took on. In it he said that the North Bank was the hardest end to take as alot of the times due to the way it was laid out. Gooners would stand in the corners so the firms would'nt see them till they were in the middle trapped as the gooners in the corners would steam in just as more of us would be coming in from the top.
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Re: Why are we the gooners

Postby djaxster » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:09 pm

Just checked on that colin ward book. Mentions a bit about following The Arse but also mentions Chelski. and he wrote another book called armed for the Match and its described as as chelski headhunter book. So was he aGooner or a headhunter?
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Re: Why are we the gooners

Postby SE13 » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:52 pm

djaxster wrote:I dont really read alot of hooligan books as they all seem to be the same wether its a london firm or northern. But one i have read is Cass's book on short stories about all the clubs the ICF took on. In it he said that the North Bank was the hardest end to take as alot of the times due to the way it was laid out. Gooners would stand in the corners so the firms would'nt see them till they were in the middle trapped as the gooners in the corners would steam in just as more of us would be coming in from the top.


It's a kind of Arsenal thing, but nothing is ever mentioned nor will published in regard to it.

However, The North Bank as it was was heavily populated by us, we could cram pushing on 20,000 behind that goal. For the most part, those on the West side of the fence knew each other at least by sight, opposing fans tended to sneak in on the East side close to the East Stand, and move in after kick-off. But once they were spotted, it went off.

Most people never went there looking for trouble, it just happened. But it's a kind of drug, do it once, get a buzz out of it, you know what I mean.

Don't get me wrong, I was never part of any firm, I knew a lot of them by sight, I defended my corner, but I was never part of any "culture" group, but it was our end, our terrace, and we defended it!
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Re: Why are we the gooners

Postby Briggsy » Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:38 pm

I've noticed no one has mention where the chant EIE comes from? Well a few lads on there way back from some offs went in to a pub up north for a drink the landlord saw them come in and said 'ere they are' apparently in his thick accent it sounded like EIE and the boys thought it was a laugh and just kept shouting it out on the way home, now the chant EIE is a war cry
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Postby foxy » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:35 pm

She_Gunner_Wales wrote:hmmm not trying to conflict Reg's version, but i thought the Cannon was more to do with our origins of Arsenal being workers from the 'factory' that made the weapons/ammo/amour ect...?

I know that was why the name was changed from its very 1st original of Dial Square to being known as Royal Arsenal, before going on to become Woolwich Arsenal.


Gooners, like Reg, i think came from an arsenal hooligan group or Firm as we call them....not 100% on that one as some say its a spin off from gunners. :?
I think teh former is more likely the case though ;)


Agree with SGW the name originates from the team being drafted from a gun/cannon factory in woolwich.

Personally i have always thought gooner to be offensive and used in a derogatory term by other teams? Im a gunner for life!!!
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