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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:28 pm
by gooney
NJ_Gunner wrote:People on here seriously comparing Iwobi to Özil? How delusional are some of you?

lool its so embarrassing. But this is Arsenal....always replace proven stars with kids with potential. It has worked for us well last 10 years

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:37 pm
by GoonerAlexis
Goonerz wrote:
NJ_Gunner wrote:People on here seriously comparing Iwobi to Özil? How delusional are some of you?

I think It's called having an opinion, every single person / fan has their own opinion when it comes to players. You don't expect everyone to just jump on the Ozil bandwagon just because his biggest fans say so. People watch football, look at formations, players, managers etc and come to different analysis / interpretations. That's the beauty of human nature. People are all different (Different tastes etc). :biggrin:

No

You don't get to hide this behind "opinion". Iwobi's a mediocre player that's only here because he's homegrown, no top 4 club would buy him

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:40 pm
by Angelito
Goonerz wrote:
Angelito wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
diesel wrote:Oh the reason he's here is wenger is it? Not the 60,000 mugs that sing his name, pay his wages and who suffer, come hell or high water for the club we love? Well, fvck off then and any player that doesn't want to give everything can fvck off as well. Ambition and passion to be successful for the badge and being frustrated when it doesn't happen I have no problem, but someone who is in any job only for his immediate manager and come to that an immediate manager who no longer has the ruthlessness or desire to be a true winner shows a lack of ambition and disrespect to my (our) club. They can both p*ss off.

I never really used to look at it like that but you are absolutely right; if a player is only here because of the manager, if that player feels no affinity or loyalty to the fans and the club he represents he is nothing but a charlatan, a mercenary.

I love Ozil, but to be honest if the manager is more important to him than the fans and the club itself then .. loving Ozil will be much harder for me :(


Understand one thing: Ozil rejected David Moyes' ManU and PSG to come to Arsenal because he believed in Wenger's philosophy.

Now, consider this - wouldn't he be concerned who'd replace Wenger if he retires at the end of the season? He rejected Moyes because obviously, he didn't trust Moyes at ManU. And, he trusted Wenger's vision because, of course, Wenger is a superior manager but also has a history of assembling great teams in the past.

As a player, it's completely normal to behave in that manner. Let's say our board lose their mind and hire Roy Hodgson. If you're an Ozil or an Alexis, what would you feel? Precisely.

Conversely, if Simeone, Allegri, Klopp (wishful thinking), et al join Arsenal, both Ozil and Alexis would be okay with that.

I don't rate Moyes at all but it was the other way around.. Moyes was being vilified by the media and some United for not signing Ozil. He made it clear that he did not rate Ozil at all even if he was being pressured into buying him. Even some United fans had the same reservations about ozil like some of us, they were calling him overrated, hides in big games and too weak for the vigour of the EPL etc..


I don't think so. Moyes had no idea what he was doing at ManU. But the thing is, Woodward controls transfers at ManU. And he's always been the one for big names.

I don't think bigging up United or their entitled fans' opinion would serve as a veil to the biases against Ozil. Constructive criticism is fine; but to act like Ozil is a problem is defeating logic.

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:42 pm
by diesel
closed question time.

Has Ozil lived up to everyone's opinion since he signed? (none of this, "well in 2013/14 1st half yes, 2014/15" no bollx) just a straightforward yes or no.

For me, although I think he's an unbelievable talent and the closest technician since Lord Dennis..
...NO.

over to you guys.

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:51 pm
by Fenice
Yes.

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:52 pm
by Arsene Nose
GoonerAlexis wrote:
Goonerz wrote:
NJ_Gunner wrote:People on here seriously comparing Iwobi to Özil? How delusional are some of you?

I think It's called having an opinion, every single person / fan has their own opinion when it comes to players. You don't expect everyone to just jump on the Ozil bandwagon just because his biggest fans say so. People watch football, look at formations, players, managers etc and come to different analysis / interpretations. That's the beauty of human nature. People are all different (Different tastes etc). :biggrin:

No

You don't get to hide this behind "opinion". Iwobi's a mediocre player that's only here because he's homegrown, no top 4 club would buy him

Named African Youth Player of the Year for 2016. That is no mean feat given the young talent in Africa at the moment. He's not mediocre.

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:16 pm
by GoonerAlexis
diesel wrote:closed question time.

Has Ozil lived up to everyone's opinion since he signed? (none of this, "well in 2013/14 1st half yes, 2014/15" no bollx) just a straightforward yes or no.

For me, although I think he's an unbelievable talent and the closest technician since Lord Dennis..
...NO.

over to you guys.

No

But still better than the rest of the shit, bar Sanchez

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:51 pm
by Arsene Nose
diesel wrote:closed question time.

Has Ozil lived up to everyone's opinion since he signed? (none of this, "well in 2013/14 1st half yes, 2014/15" no bollx) just a straightforward yes or no.

For me, although I think he's an unbelievable talent and the closest technician since Lord Dennis..
...NO.

over to you guys.

You live up to expectations, not opinions. And then too it depends what one's expectations are. He provided 19 assists last season, one shy of the league record. He did live up to my expectations.

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:03 pm
by Marsbar100
Last season yes, other 3 no

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:27 pm
by diesel
Arsene Nose wrote:
diesel wrote:closed question time.

Has Ozil lived up to everyone's opinion since he signed? (none of this, "well in 2013/14 1st half yes, 2014/15" no bollx) just a straightforward yes or no.

For me, although I think he's an unbelievable talent and the closest technician since Lord Dennis..
...NO.

over to you guys.

You live up to expectations, not opinions. And then too it depends what one's expectations are. He provided 19 assists last season, one shy of the league record. He did live up to my expectations.


Good build and challenge on my phraseology. Seriously. It's still a NO though from me. :naughty:

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:31 pm
by Cripps
Is he better than what he was at Real?

Yes

Therein lies my answer

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:19 pm
by Arsene Nose
diesel wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:
diesel wrote:closed question time.

Has Ozil lived up to everyone's opinion since he signed? (none of this, "well in 2013/14 1st half yes, 2014/15" no bollx) just a straightforward yes or no.

For me, although I think he's an unbelievable talent and the closest technician since Lord Dennis..
...NO.

over to you guys.

You live up to expectations, not opinions. And then too it depends what one's expectations are. He provided 19 assists last season, one shy of the league record. He did live up to my expectations.


Good build and challenge on my phraseology. Seriously. It's still a NO though from me. :naughty:

What were you expecting, out of curiosity?

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:49 pm
by rammixp
Yes,

Has he blown me away like Sanchez, No, but he has met my expectations in being a core part of a our team and a dynamic attacking threat for us over the last 3 and a half seasons.

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:57 pm
by Goonerz
Absolutely "NO".
Had a good half season 2015/16. But apart from that he has been the same old Ozil that is a follower.He is so so dependent on others. When the team plays well he plays well, when things are tough he curls into his shell (Goes into hiding)..

Re: Mesut Özil (11)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:41 pm
by maxgunner
Marsbar100 wrote:Last season yes, other 3 no

Too inconsistent, so no