Americans (concerning Rick Synder)

[Reverend Gooner]

This sounds highly unconstitutional to me (not that my knowledge of your constitution is that broad). Is it as bad as it sounds or is the reporter making it sound worse than it is because it is MSNBC?

I would be furious if a company ever had such an overt ( ) ability/route to ammend law and remove elected officials.

[Fabrestuta]

Happens all the time Rev. Nobama said he was going to protect the middle class and they were the ones taxed to death when he took over. Michigan is broker than Oliver Twist and something needs to be done. New York and California are basically bankrupt because of years of ineptitude and corruption (both parties have been involved) but because they basically run America its covered over.

America is in trouble, the whole country, each side finds something they can run with to blame the other. There is a shit load of news groups who profess to be bitpartisan (Fox just gets hammered) but they all have an agenda.

Michigan has been run into the ground over the past 25 years but nothing was said, it was a democratic stronghold but people have had enough. Having a Republican elected absolutely freafed out the let. Same as what happened in Massachusetts.

[Reverend Gooner]

Happens all the time Rev. Nobama said he was going to protect the middle class and they were the ones taxed to death when he took over. Michigan is broker than Oliver Twist and something needs to be done. New York and California are basically bankrupt because of years of ineptitude and corruption (both parties have been involved) but because they basically run America its covered over.

America is in trouble, the whole country, each side finds something they can run with to blame the other. There is a shit load of news groups who profess to be bitpartisan (Fox just gets hammered) but they all have an agenda.

Michigan has been run into the ground over the past 25 years but nothing was said, it was a democratic stronghold but people have had enough. Having a Republican elected absolutely freafed out the let. Same as what happened in Massachusetts.

People seem fed up with both parties in the US from what I have read recently. Does it really happen all the time in the US where citizens can just have there elected officials removed like that and their earned rights removed by a third party (corporations being one of them) manipulating a set of laws set to do just that?

I hear about the state of America and it is worrying. The dollar is in dire straits.

Gold and silver are flying up, the dollar is plummeting. Oil nations are aiming to get oil priced in a different currency, the IMF are calling for a new world reserve currency and the federal reserve is trying to pay off your debt by printing trillions of dollars and it's going up. I have heard predictions by economists that all or a few of these things (especially the printing) could send you into levels of crazy hyperinflation.

[Swan]

the sad thing about it is that a lot of people just don't give a crap..

ive tried talking to people i know about stuff like this and they just look at me like i'm some kind of fool.. i know i'm not a smart person at all but it i can see stuff that is happening and understand how screwed up it is so why can't they but they just don't give a crap so i have given up...

[Leody]

FYI Rev, Rachel Maddow is very left leaning... to put it mildly.

I don't like what is proposed in Michigan in the least, but I find it very irritating that they're going to raise hell and report on this story like it's the end of democracy when Obama has been appointing his unconfirmed czars for years that have undefined powers to oversee whole sectors of our economy. You want to talk about usurping democracy? What's happening in Michigan doesn't even begin to match the dictatorial actions of Obama. This is slanted reporting at it's best.

Why have they chosen to point this out, when they've ignored the actions of our president for years? Oh, and let's not even get into the peacebringer that is Obama unilaterally getting us into a third war with no defined objective, no exit strategy and no approval from Congress... and the fact that he waited weeks to make the move and then did it in the middle of the night as all of Congress was going on recess and leaving town and he was on his way to Brazil.

What a chicken-shit move that was...

And then he waited another ten days to even address the nation. And still only justified his actions, without giving an goal or plan or anything...

[Forest]

If everything came out that happens both here and there, think they'd be mass uproar beyond belief.

Economy wise if we stick to this Goverment i think we'll do alright in years to come, unfortunatly Labour will get in next time and spend spend spend.
For you across the pond, i dont see a way out and cant see how things can get better in majority of your life times.

[Leody]

For you across the pond, i dont see a way out and cant see how things can get better in majority of your life times.

Unfortunately I think you're right. Our government has well and truly f***ked us. We are so far in debt, have such a sense of entitlement throughout our society, kids getting out of school expecting $50k a year and not working for less... and all the while nobody wants to pay any taxes, but still get all the government handouts. I really don't see any way out of our current situation without a MAJOR overhaul of our government, foreign policy, entitlement programs a increases in tax revenue. (be it from tax cuts and economic growth or economic stagnation and tax increase)

We're f***ked...

And all the while the vast majority of our populous just keep their heads in the sand, or demand even more entitlement programs.

[Forest]

Watched a docu movie by Micheal Moore last year or yr before on Capitalism, was good to watch and how they did alot of it behind the publics back to become richer.

You'd think New York would be quite well off with amount of businesses and Donald Trump and his buildings, although hes screwed alot of people in his time.

[Reverend Gooner]

FYI Rev, Rachel Maddow is very left leaning... to put it mildly.

I don't like what is proposed in Michigan in the least, but I find it very irritating that they're going to raise hell and report on this story like it's the end of democracy when Obama has been appointing his unconfirmed czars for years that have undefined powers to oversee whole sectors of our economy. You want to talk about usurping democracy? What's happening in Michigan doesn't even begin to match the dictatorial actions of Obama. This is slanted reporting at it's best.

Why have they chosen to point this out, when they've ignored the actions of our president for years? Oh, and let's not even get into the peacebringer that is Obama unilaterally getting us into a third war with no defined objective, no exit strategy and no approval from Congress... and the fact that he waited weeks to make the move and then did it in the middle of the night as all of Congress was going on recess and leaving town and he was on his way to Brazil.

What a chicken-shit move that was...

And then he waited another ten days to even address the nation. And still only justified his actions, without giving an goal or plan or anything...

The media bias thing is a common problem, I only really read the BBC and CNN International out of all the big news sites and don't touch newspapers apart from the odd free one while travelling. What is the political leaning of CNN?

What I hear from this post is that what is going on in Michigan is as bad as it sounds but Obama has done similar things to usurp democracy. Both parties in the pocket of big business and special interests.

So Republicans and Democrats use the constitution as a set of guidelines rather than rule of law, my impression (mainly from the big screen and highly charged news interviews) is that Americans love the constitution, militantly and value their countries values and freedoms with their lives. If so why is noone marching against the government, whichever one is in power?

[Leody]

So Republicans and Democrats use the constitution as a set of guidelines rather than rule of law, my impression (mainly from the big screen and highly charged news interviews) is that Americans love the constitution, militantly and value their countries values and freedoms with their lives. If so why is noone marching against the government, whichever one is in power?

Niether party really uses the constitution as a set of gidelines honesty, they just ignore it and see it as an obstical to doing what they want. I can't recall the senator that was interviewed last year about the health care bill and was asked "where in the constitution does Congress get the authority to make citizens purchase a product they may not want or need? (health insurance)" To which he replied "Much of what Congress does isn't authorised by the constituiton..."

And people are marching against the government, they're the Tea Party. And they're vilified in the media, very unjustly and often straight lies are used to paint them in a negitive light. What the media has against them is beyond me... but I've been to a Tea Party event, a very little one two years ago in my home town of Media, OH, but it was very civil. Not at all what the media makes them out to be.

Of all the thousands of events around the country, the media has not once been able to find a story about violence coming from the Tea Pary. They've said there's been, but never produced any footage, police reports or actual substantiated complaints. But then the mainsteam media just brushes aside the demonstrations in Wisconsin where they surrounded state senators and intimidated them. Live ammunitiuon was found on the grounds of the state capital, but no guns thank God. But these are the people that we should side with according to the media... give me a break.

I know it isn't the popular view around the world, but it's a dog eat dog world. I don't need the government to tell me what to do, give me hand outs, take from the rich to support me, and so on. America has become a great country by giving the people freedoms that no other country has ever before. Sure people have abused those freedoms and taken advantage of the weak and unfortunate. But at least the people of this country have had a chance that no other's ever have, and they've been free from the certainty of the ruling class determaining their lives for them. If you were smart, hard working and driven you could make something for yourself. But now we've slowly been maching towards a soft tyranny and perhaps even socialism, step by step creeping that way for the last two hundred years. The pace has slowed and even reversed at times in the past, and I hope it does again soon, but we're headed that direction at a scary pace right now if you ask me.

I'm not a particularly religous man, but I pray that we don't lose any more of our freedoms. It's a futile effort really, but there's always hope. But things really need to change if there's going to be any chance. At least the Tea Party proves that we're not a nation of nothing but sheep. At least some people are awake and wise to the situation.

[Forest]

Have you been looking for a job really hard or is part of you slack because others get hand outs and spoon fed for being idle sh!ts?

(providing your still unemployed)

[Leody]

Have you been looking for a job really hard or is part of you slack because others get hand outs and spoon fed for being idle sh!ts?

(providing your still unemployed)

I'm semi-employed, working but unpaid because the company doesn't have any capital yet.

I'm working with a small start up company that does free-form progressive lenses, called NCRx. They've developed an affordable way to slow turn diamond lathe eye-glass lenses, much like NASA does for their high powered mirrors used in space telescopes. This has a huge benefit to the patient because it allows for the optical surface to be much more accurate and the carity is unmached anywhere in the industry. The machine isn't fully developed yet and right now we're just opporating as a lab selling lenses to run the machines and aide development. Eventually the plan is to sell or lease the machines to labs. I help with running the machine when we have orders, take care of the marketing, manage the inventory and things like that while the others with engineering backgrounds work on R&D.

Hopefully things start picking up soon so they can start paying me. I've also been looking at the possibility of taking over the ownership of a retail business in a completely different industry. But that depends heavily on being able to reach a financial agreement with the current owner that would allow me to not need bank financing.

I'm not going to lie. I've been on unemployment benefits. I've taken advantage of they system. But why shouldn't I utilize what's available? I've had this discussion often with a couple good friends from grad school, I really am my own worst enemy. But I'd be putting myself at a disadvantage not using the system. The current unemployment system I believe encourages people not to work, makes it more expensive for companies to hire because of the HR costs involved and higher taxes (for small business). Thus, in my opinion discouraging econmic growth. For example, I was making about $12 an hour when I was on unemployment, that's more than I would have been able to earn at any retail job, short of store ownership. The government really is on the side of large businesses, because they're the guys that pay for their reelections. They've made the cost to hire a single employee so high that you need to be able to benefit from large economies of scale in order to make a decent enough margain to make it worth while, and squeezing the little guy out of the market. I'm suffering through this now at my current job. Just to pay me a take home salary of $25k a year (far below average), would cost the company in the area of $50k in taxes, insurance and benefits. Part of it is my own stubborness not wanting to work for a huge company where I'm just a little worker bee, because I'd probably be able to find a job in that area. But I'm a firm believer that you don't get anywhere in life working for somebody else, you need to work for yourself to get anywhere, and I want to make something of myself. I can live a rough life now, trying to get somewhere, or I can live a little more comfortably but not much better with no hope of anything better by working in the corporate world. I choose the first option.

[Leody]

As a side note... it's a whole different debate, but the Obama-care bill is just another step towards eliminating small business. They passed the bill forcing employers to buy health insurance for their employees, raising the cost to hire. But then started handing out exemptions to every big company under the sun left and right. So they can continue to do whatever they want while the little guy who can hardly afford to keep his doors open right now sees his HR costs going up by 20%.

[Forest]

Dont blame you at all, iv done it and many on here have, after all its just what your entitled too so they say.

thats alot to employ someone, when we employed people on around £25K think we paid an extra £5k at the most for them, not that we had many and being small the accountant did it.

Glad to hear your getting sorted, sounds a good project to be a part of providing it doesnt go pear shaped of course.

[ChVint22]

Who the hell is Rick Synder!?!?!