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[Zedie]

................From the Honda thread

OK, there are skillful fighters in MMA right now, and the standards have dramatically increased since the origins of drunken rednecks scuffing in a makeshift studio, but do you really think someone like Bruce Lee could be taken out so easily by the top middleweight at the moment?

Bruce Lee vs Rampage Jackson = Win to Bruce Lee - default win due to the 4 broken limbs of Jackson.

And before you say that Bruce Lee was in the 70s, he was one of the top Martial artists who went against the grain and came to the Western World against the wishes of the most senior martial arts leaders in China.

The top top boys over there dont bother themselves with TV glitz and the commercial aspect of the sport. they dont even see it as a sport....

[Plymouth Gooner]

I just watch UFC and find the WWF style build up a bit pathetic. If I find it daft then I'm sure no serious martial artist is going to want to go over to America to compete in it.

[ChVint22]

I just watch UFC and find the WWF style build up a bit pathetic. If I find it daft then I'm sure no serious martial artist is going to want to go over to America to compete in it.

Many of them do though. And just because you don't like something doesn't mean that everybody doesn't like it.

[Plymouth Gooner]

I don't dislike it, I like the fights (although I find the ground stuff boring, I know it is technical but it is still boring to watch) it is the build up that annoys me.

[ChVint22]

I don't dislike it, I like the fights (although I find the ground stuff boring, I know it is technical but it is still boring to watch) it is the build up that annoys me.

Thats what I mean, it annoys YOU. Doesn't mean it annoys everyone else.

[elkanofan]

................From the Honda thread

OK, there are skillful fighters in MMA right now, and the standards have dramatically increased since the origins of drunken rednecks scuffing in a makeshift studio, but do you really think someone like Bruce Lee could be taken out so easily by the top middleweight at the moment?

Bruce Lee vs Rampage Jackson = Win to Bruce Lee - default win due to the 4 broken limbs of Jackson.

And before you say that Bruce Lee was in the 70s, he was one of the top Martial artists who went against the grain and came to the Western World against the wishes of the most senior martial arts leaders in China.

The top top boys over there dont bother themselves with TV glitz and the commercial aspect of the sport. they dont even see it as a sport....

that is because the essence and very mission of learning those disciplines and their culture is not centered around glitz, glamor and money. Narcissism does not factor with them. People here are missing the point and are conditioned to believe the whole world is about competing and making as much money as possible.

I said before these kung fu guys who join in MMA are doing it because they follow the western principle, NOT the eastern principles.

So the point is the 'true' kung fu people do not subscribe to the western belief and will never even contemplate entering fighting competitions. Also much of their knowledge falls under secret oaths and teachings and they swear by their lives to protect their knowledge, many if all of their teachings strictly forbid showing off and being mature and responsible.

I actually guarantee there where people who where much wiser and more knowledgeable about human potential than Bruce Lee. The guy sadly died from taking asprin, Those guys in the east know full well the dangers of FDA approved drugs (that's another subject entirely). Bruce Lee was a true legend but was just the tip of the icebeg compared to some of the people over there in the far east, or on mountains somewhere or in some remote village.

[elkanofan]

Having said all that I love MMA, it's just not the b all and end all of human capacity. It's only the top fighters in the western ideology money is everything universe.

[Gs1981]

The build up is essential, you have to hype fights or nobody is bothered by them, espech when the little known fighters are competing.

HBO do exactly the same shit for boxing over in America, WWE's 'build up' is a exact rip off from American boxing shows anyway, so what you are trying to say PG is you hate they way they build up events in America, i know what you mean, they make it very cheesey, but thats what they like, don't ever compare MMA to WWE, it has no similarity's whatsoever, MMA has real fighters, WWE has actors, MMA is teh fastest growing sport in the world, its just not massive in England yet, i only care about it so much because i train in it, in 20 years time you will agree with me on most of this stuff when it takes over from boxing completely.

As for Bruce Lee fighting Quinton Jackson, for 1 Bruce Lee was no bigger than 9 stone, Rampage is a big LHW not a middleweight he is between 14.6 stone to 15.7 on fight night, Rampage would dump Lee on his head and GnP the shit out of him, or submit him.



No stand up only fighter has a chance against a well rounded MMA fighter, this was proven when World Heavyweight boxing champion James Toney fought a 47 year old wrestler Randy Couture, Randy made him his bitch for 3 minutes then submitted him.



Tyson would not of stood a chance unless he spent 10-15 years improving his ground game, Bruce Lee never had a professional fight, he never hurt anybody in his life, he was an actor.

Ali fought a MMA fight against pro wrestler Antoni Inoki with rules that there could be no takedowns (wtf)... the fight ended in a boring draw and the injurys Ali sustained to his legs in this fight f***ked up the rest of his career

Van Damme is fighting again in K1 (the biggest kickboxing company in the world) in November at the grand old age of 52 with special rules that hes not allowed to be elbowed in the face. his record in Kickboxing is 18-2 and his last fight was over 20 years ago.

Chuck Norris was a karate guy and a top one to, but again no ground game.

Steven Seagal trains with Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida and taught them both that front teep to the face that they both did in there previous fights.




Anderson's front Teep to the face

Lyoto jumping front Teep to the face


Teep is Thai for Push Kick.

[elkanofan]

The build up is essential, you have to hype fights or nobody is bothered by them, espech when the little known fighters are competing.

As for Bruce Lee fighting Quinton Jackson, for 1 Bruce Lee was no bigger than 9 stone, Rampage is a big LHW not a middleweight he is between 14.6 stone to 15.7 on fight night, Rampage would dump Lee on his head and GnP the shit out of him, or submit him.



No stand up only fighter has a chance against a well rounded MMA fighter, this was proven when World Heavyweight boxing champion James Toney fought a 47 year old wrestler Randy Couture, Randy made him his bitch for 3 minutes then submitted him.



Tyson would not of stood a chance unless he spent 10-15 years improving his ground game, Bruce Lee never had a professional fight, he never hurt anybody in his life, he was an actor.

Ali fought a MMA fight against pro wrestler Antoni Inoki with rules that there could be no takedowns (wtf)... the fight ended in a boring draw and the injurys Ali sustained to his legs in this fight f***ked up the rest of his career

Van Damme is fighting again in K1 (the biggest kickboxing company in the world) in November at the grand old age of 52 with special rules that hes not allowed to be elbowed in the face. his record in Kickboxing is 18-2 and his last fight was over 20 years ago.

Chuck Norris was a karate guy and a top one to, but again no ground game.

Steven Seagal trains with Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machda and taught them both that front teep to the face that they both did in there previous fights.

Anderson

Lyoto

Your just not seeing our point

You keep going past it. You go straight in with your point that everyone that know how to fight in the world has to prove themselves in MMA. We are not talking about that at all. These people in East Asia we speak of do not see or consider the need to prove themselves and make money and fame.

[Gs1981]

Everybody who fights in a competitive fight sport, looks to compete on the grandest stage, UFC right now is the biggest stage for fighting on the planet since Pride FC was bought out by Zuffa.

Kung Fu styles are not meant for fighting, they are meant for self defence, and not good enough to use in a competitive fight against a fellow skilled opponent, Karate and Tae-Kwon-DO has very little success also.

A fighter needs to be well rounded, there is not a boxer that ever existed that could last long against a MMA fighter, unless the MMA fighter just stood straight infront of him.

There is also no point bringing Kung-Fu into this conversation, it has been used in MMA, and they have always been embaressed very quickly, Shaolins are glorified circus performers/stunt men, not fighters.

[Gs1981]

Listen lets just get some things straight.

In the other thread and this one i have heard...

'there would be some kung fu master on top of a mountain somewhere who would beat any ufc fighter'

'Bruce Lee would beat Rampage Jackson'

ok.

In a MMA fight, The master and Bruce Lee would get submitted extremely quickly.

Thats the points i see being made, your point is, they wouldnt want to fight in the UFC..ok...have that point, but we have already seen what happens when they do, they always get either Knocked out or submitted.

[Αrsεnal]

is this fake like WWE ?

[Gs1981]

is this fake like WWE ?

No it is not lol!

why do people keep thinking that, have you not watched it? you can't fake getting kicked in the face and punched like that.



Or in the Jiu-Jitsu department, didnt anyone see Frank Mir snap Tim Sylvias arm in half with that arm bar?



I'm not saying that some of the fights can't be rigged like they are in boxing, because some of the fights in Japan were, but what you see in the UFC is 100% real.

Its martial arts, Karate vs kung fu, muay thai vs boxing, jiu-jitsu vs judo etc etc

[elkanofan]

Listen lets just get some things straight.

In the other thread and this one i have heard...

'there would be some kung fu master on top of a mountain somewhere who would beat any ufc fighter'

'Bruce Lee would beat Rampage Jackson'

ok.

In a MMA fight, The master and Bruce Lee would get submitted extremely quickly.

Thats the points i see being made, your point is, they wouldnt want to fight in the UFC..ok...have that point, but we have already seen what happens when they do, they always get either Knocked out or submitted.

oh god. Man this is thought to try and covey my point.

Listen the 'martial arts' taught to EVERYONE, and i mean EVERYONE who has ever competed in MMA is DIFFERENT and DEEPER and more. If you take up kung fu or any martial art and use it to enter competitions that is NOT the same martial arts Bruce Lee and others on remote mountains etc.. studied. It's TOTALLY different.

Modern Kung fu and the martial arts does not require you totally alter EVERY SINGLE THING ABOUT YOU AS A PERSON. I mean, everything. Everything you stand for and believe in with either be altered or enhanced. I did karate fro example. it requires very little change in how you perceive the world. Minimal. Capoeria and other modern kung fu, ju jitsu, wrestling (competitive) none of that alters you minds and expands your consciousness like what we are talking about.

People like Bruce Lee where using much more than 10% of their brain unlike every single MMA fighter today.

These guys pretty much live a totally parallel existence compared to MMA fighters who train to be competitive and to earn money respect and fame.

I hope i can now clear up my point. I am in NO way disrespecting MMA, i love MMA (sad to see Fedor struggling so much , he used to be the king) I may take up MMA once i go back to uni. Guys like Bruce lee in east Asia know some of the many hidden truths about us as humans beings which have been deliberately hidden from us to keep us ignorant and controlled.

[Gs1981]

elkanofan i'm not disagreeing with you, never have been fella, i'm disagreeing with the posts from PG etc, at least you put some thought into your responses.

Lets not go there with Bruce Lee tho, he only ever did movies and never hurt or fought anyone, he was simply a skilled actor, he never tested himself against anybody at any point of his life.....so theres no proof he was ever really good at anything

He was choreographed and half of the stuff he did in movies would not be possible in real life, physics would come into play.

He was a talented man, but not a fighter, an actor.....martial artist yeh....but he has no place in this subject at all.

Martial Artists who prove themselves against the best martial artists in the world of all disciplines>Martial Artist who did stunts in movies

Cung Le is a good example, super hyped up,very exciting movie star Kung Fu/tae-kwon-do/Sanshou guy who beat 6 bums with exciting stuff we had never seen before... then he fought a 'c' level UFC reject fighter in Scott Smith and got his head knocked off...in the stand up ffs! Smith stood with him...and bang! KTFO of Cung Le.

Imagine what would happen if he fought a K1 striker like Melvin Manhoef? Le would of been killed

K1 strikers like Badr Hari, Manhoef, Bonjasky, Schilt are far better strikers than any movie star we have ever seen......yet none of them do well in MMA. (Bas Rutten ex UFC champion and K1/Pancrase fighter once challeneged JCVD to a K1 fight, Van Damme refused)

The only one that did well in MMA was Mirko 'Cro-Cop' Filopovic (because he had trained so much wrestling as a takedown defense)....but hes done now.

Alistair Overeem the K1 champion came from MMA originally so he doesent count.

I'm not going to even bother getting into Anderson Silva.....that guy is the greatest martial artist on the planet.